(StewF18 Joined February 2005 Posted on Feb. 27 2005,11:45 )Contemplating getting some new shirts and this discussion as well as others like it has been enough to draw a long time lurker out.
I am replying here for two reasons: Firstly, you cited me. Secondly, Chuck is away until late next week.
Way too many shirts shrink when washed so this is important. Of course pre shrunk cottons wont or shouldnt shrink with additional washes, are these pre shrunk?
None of the good high-count Italian cottons are pre-shrunk. Pre-shrunk is a marketing gimiick which means that a certain amount of the potential shrinkage, not all of it, has been removed. I'm sitting here right now in my pre-shrunk Levi's ... trying to fasten the button. Damnned cinnamon scones ... If your high-quality non-bespoke shirt claims to be pre-shrunk ... caveat emptor.
double track stitch seams. What does that mean?
As far as I know, it means Texans don't speak very good English (sorry, Cusey). The Carlo Franco shirt I examined had double-needle stitched side-seams. Changing this was one of my ideas for improving an already value-filled product. I have not seen a more recent run and you therefore must await Chuck's return on this aspect.
Pardon this question if it sounds snotty, but how much experience do you have with shirts if you thought that Egyptian cotton is the cheap stuff?
Common mis-statement, probably also deriving from the lack of language facility in the Tumbleweed State. ALL of the finest cotton is grown in Egypt ... except for some of the Sea Island. It is then woven either in Switzerland or Italy. No concessions here - only Swiss or Italian. Not the 160's from Japan or China. Not the "180's" from Century in India. They're comin' along but haven't made it yet. The only thing I am certain of about Carlo Franco fabric is that it is woven in one of Italy's better mills of Egyptian-grown ELS cotton. Disecting the fabric was not my goal when disecting the shirt.
You didnt answer the question above about the hand detailing as well as the stitches per inch on the machine seams assuming that there are machine seams although if Drizzt3117 can compare these to Borelli, Kiton, Barba et al. (really?) I imagine that there are no machine seams but see my next question.
So much in two sentences. What do you mean by hand detailing? If you like the appearance of a hand-made buttonhole, the CF shirt does not use them. If you are referrring to the advertising gimmicks of mass-producing the hand-attachment certain parts of the shirt, they are nothing more than gimmicks, a fact which many forum members have come to realize by now. You reference comparison to Borelli, Kiton, Barba, et. al. If you are implying that those brands have no machine stitching I believe that you are incorrect. Finally, the CF shirt I inspected was a very large herringbone with very long floats and an extraordinarily high sheen. Even bespoke, I question whether any competant maker would exceed 17-18 stitches on this type of fabric without chancing total destruction. The CF shirt came in at 16 which is perfectly appropriate.
And although he didnt say it, I suspect Mr. Kabbaz's is glad you approve of his behaviour.
I am puzzled as to what relevance this has to the quality of a Carlo Franco shirt.