Mod to Suedehead

Originally Posted by harrysgame

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Im pretty sure that picture was taken at The Shades in Northampton. Its on their website saying its from there.

On Ebay you can sometimes get Ladies Levi sta pres trousers.


My mistake, Harry - I've had the picture so long, I forgot where it came from! Knew it was something Soul related and later than the era we're discussing! Northampton is North to our London friends!

Originally Posted by Little Queenie

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Northampton is North to our London friends!

I can remember when 'The Valley' (Charlton Athletic's ground) closed. There was talk of the club relocating to Milton Keynes. The blokes who were talking about it referred to MK as 'up North' (or rather 'ap Noaf').

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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I can remember when 'The Valley' (Charlton Athletic's ground) closed. There was talk of the club relocating to Milton Keynes. The blokes who were talking about it referred to MK as 'up North' (or rather 'ap Noaf').

Where do we live then, MOM if Milton Keynes is 'ap Noaf'?!!

Originally Posted by Little Queenie

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Where do we live then, MOM if Milton Keynes is 'ap Noaf'?!!

In my case, I guess the sub-arctic tundra!

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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In my case, I guess the sub-arctic tundra!

Going by the weather you've had the last few months, you could be right!

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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In my case, I guess the sub-arctic tundra!
Yes,but you love it,M-o-M,all that fresh Air etc.

Originally Posted by Alex Roest

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Interesting thought John. The term Dandy is probably being misinterpreted on the same scale as 'Skinhead' is

Seems we may no longer be 'in the zone', mate!

We've talked a lot about what might have influenced the original skinhead look - the late mods, American astronauts, the Ivy League look, and so on. I think that one of the most important influences, though, was each other. Speaking personally, even though I might have been wearing clothes with a distinctly American style, and buying some of them from a shop which specialised in American gear, and even though I might have been in the tail end of the mods, I didn't consciously look at pictures of astronauts, or Eric Clapton, or American kids, or mods. There weren't a lot of pictures around, not like there are now with the internet. I mainly took my cue from the blokes around me, even in the case of stuff on which I picked up quickly (like check shirts from the Squire shop).

I think that one of the main thing that persuaded us 'older' 'originals' to abandon the look/scene was when the mass influx of younger kids came in. To some extent they copied us, but to a great extent they believed the hype - you had to wear boots, you had to wear braces, you had to like football, you had to hate 'pakis', you had to like 'aggro'. With us, there was less of a sense of 'had to' - we were who we were, we weren't the media image of ourselves.

Does this make sense?


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On a separate issue, a fair bit off-topic, does anyone have access to the whole of the album photography by Ethan A Russell for the Who's 1973 album Quadrophenia? It's difficult to find them on the web because they are, of course, in the photographer's copyright. PM me if you can help.

Also, does anyone know whether Richard Barnes book Mods! contains a reference to John Entwistle's dislike of mod clothing, and to his deliberately scuffing his shoes to make them look less smart? I know I read that somewhere. Again, please PM me if you know.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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We've talked a lot about what might have influenced the original skinhead look - the late mods, American astronauts, the Ivy League look, and so on. I think that one of the most important influences, though, was each other. Speaking personally, even though I might have been wearing clothes with a distinctly American style, and buying some of them from a shop which specialised in American gear, and even though I might have been in the tail end of the mods, I didn't consciously look at pictures of astronauts, or Eric Clapton, or American kids, or mods. There weren't a lot of pictures around, not like there are now with the internet. I mainly took my cue from the blokes around me, even in the case of stuff on which I picked up quickly (like check shirts from the Squire shop).

I think that one of the main thing that persuaded us 'older' 'originals' to abandon the look/scene was when the mass influx of younger kids came in. To some extent they copied us, but to a great extent they believed the hype - you had to wear boots, you had to wear braces, you had to like football, you had to hate 'pakis', you had to like 'aggro'. With us, there was less of a sense of 'had to' - we were who we were, we weren't the media image of ourselves.

Does this make sense?

Makes a lot of sense to me. The astronauts story I think was one of those myths that needed deconstructing...

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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To some extent they copied us, but to a great extent they believed the hype - you had to wear boots, you had to wear braces, you had to like football, you had to hate 'pakis', you had to like 'aggro'. With us, there was less of a sense of 'had to' - we were who we were, we weren't the media image of ourselves.

Does this make sense?

perfectly. good post, esp on the "had to" part.

Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery

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Also, does anyone know whether Richard Barnes book Mods! contains a reference to John Entwistle's dislike of mod clothing, and to his deliberately scuffing his shoes to make them look less smart? I know I read that somewhere. Again, please PM me if you know. Thanks.
I've heard of Entwistle's dislike of the forced mod thing before, but I've always found him pretty smart looking, in his own individual way. He looks pretty cool in this video, which is from a period when they weren't being forced to wear mod gear anymore: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WeBT...eature=related I've seen interviews with Townshend and Daltrey where they actually say that one of his problems was that he'd spend fortunes on clothes. Not just then, but until he died, which is kind of cool, specially considering the other's look like they're wearing whatever their granddaughters got them for Christmas.

Originally Posted by Get Smart

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perfectly. good post, esp on the "had to" part.
Once the fashion exploded into what was skinheads i agree everyone got into it, I have said before many a teenager was a reluctant skinhead, some just went along with the flow, if one did not then you was on the outside. I had personal mates who i knew hated football, the violence even the cloths, but they went along with it,

Originally Posted by Lasttye

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Once the fashion exploded into what was skinheads I agree everyone got into it, I have said before many a teenager was a reluctant skinhead, some just went along with the flow, if one did not then you was on the outside. I had personal mates who I knew hated football, the violence even the clothes, but they went along with it.

With those kinda people 'on board' it was definitely time to 'move on'...

More photos..




Butlins Filey July 1968




1969




Waltham Cross August 1969




Margate July 1969 (After mum washing Levis a million times to get that 'look', finally gave up and lightly bleached 'em)



January 1971




Arenal July 1971






By the way, did anyone see bleach 'splattered' jeans in the 60s? (As opposed to bleached as to appear faded)

Brill pics Bunty, Like the high top button on the jacket, dead on mate.