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Edited by Basset - 12/13/12 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


Yes,the Jackets were coming in.I remember my first "Off The Peg" Suit had the wide(nearly covering your Shoulders)Jacket and not too Flared Trousers.This led to a D/B Jacket(Black)that I wore with Light Grey Trousers.I did not buy a Suit again for many years.It was about `72/`73 I started wearing a silver Saxophone in the Lapel of my Jacket.Always liked that Musical Instrument(wished I had learnt to play one).This went onto the "Horn Of Plenty"on a Chain-later in the 70s.If you look at things,they did follow on,in a funny sort of way.When I said about unbuttoning the Collars of BS,this did open the door to look for something different.
Ace and Eights,well said.Agree with you.smile.gif


Thanks Colin, i think i know what your getting at, ive often thought that from a design point of view with clothing theres only so far you can go until it reaches saturation point, lapels, trouser width, dagger collars that would be more at home serving cake to the local vicar being examples of what im getting at.

 Once it gets to that point it has to change and go backwards for want of a better word.

 

Saxophone, cool instrument, i can manage a tune on a jews harp thats where my musical ability starts and ends, and tbh its not as cool

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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

For me the skinhead trend/fashion of 69 as far I was concerned should never have ceased/died out as I thought it was ideal.  Most of my mates from then in 71ish were quite happy to change with fashion and move on - I did not.  I tried to keep wearing the same clobber but you then become the odd one out and my clothes had to change (mildly).

You see most of us did not see that period as a cult it was just a time in fashion and we knew it would change.  For me and the like minded originals on here it was more than that, it was the epitome of how we wanted to dress and behave and generally live.  It must be strange for the younger members who were not there and to view retrospectively of how it should be or how we would like it to be  - but it wasn't. 

As I say only a few originals really think those days were special. Others who were there thought they were good times and can leave it back there and move on - I can't.  I would turn back the clock any day

Now days I do not dress as a skinhead but still wear straight jeans (with a bit of Lycra) Fred Perry type shirts etc.  I will not pay the prices now for the shirts and made to measure clothes from back in the day and a lot of what I wear now comes from M&S.  Although I still like and buy Loake Royals.  Of course one of the issues of being near 60 is that at 6' tall 17 stone and 48"/50" chest (not mentioning waist ) it becomes difficult to obtain the old clothes.  I also do not want to look stupid - would the clothes I wore and thought great and smart as a teenage now make me look ridiculous and sad?

Its funny you get to the originals ages and look back at your life at over 40 years ago and you think it was just faded memories and then you find this thread and people who were there and really felt and still feel passionate about that time and you suddenly have comrades of a past that certainly mattered to some people, even though to others it had just passed on.

When I met Buttons this year he had so much knowledge and possessions of the day but the only thing he could not obtain was the sense of really being back there ie smells, the buzz, the excitement, the memories etc.  I suppose its like us now reading about the WW1 and WW11 but not really understanding because we were not there to experience it.  But you younger members please keep pushing with questions because it certainly keeps me thinking, reminiscing and keeping the old days alive

I find it fascinating on here that a topic (say sheepskin coats) kicks off and loads of opinions / memories flood in from all over the place.  I could kick myself for not have a photo of my prized 3/4 sheepskin.  But back then you would not have a camera to hand as box brownies were too big the modern camera of the day was too expensive.  If you was in the tourist part of London and a man said he would take your picture you would never see the photo or you 5 bob again!!  Youngsters today are so fortunate with camera phones and digital cameras etc - they will have plenty of photographic memories / records

Enough rambling

Too right mate.
That's why I spend a lot of time reading stuff like this and talking to the older lads.
This is where the "not allowed to be called skinhead" forum really comes into play.
I've spoken to hundreds of original skinheads over the years but many have been brief chats with half drunk blokes in pubs and at bus stops. If you asked a thousand skinheads what it was like in '69, they'd mostly recall the same stuff about the Ben Shermans they bought, birds they'd met, fights they'd won etc. But when you really get down to detail of how life was like, you get a much better feel for the time, people's attitudes, reasons why things happened. The sheepskin's a good example as you wouldn't find many skinheads nowadays prepared to spend 7 weeks wages on one. That's partly cos you don't have to but the 'flashness' it buys you isn't as exclusive or as needed.

Good comparison about the war - will you ever really get it, no matter how many accounts you study?

I still kick mesell for not taking enough photos. They don't really matter at the time, but they can really matter a decade or two later.

I know this thread can wander off subject now and then, but its been a great source of info and long may it continue. Hooray for the nitty gritty!
(Could do with a few more old northerners though!)
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...while we're on the topic of sheepskins, looks like its catching with the rest of the animal kingdom!

 

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ikeamonkey.jpg?w=620&h=464

 

couldn't resist, its the first thing i noticed when this story came out! lol!

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Originally Posted by sivanpunk View Post

...while we're on the topic of sheepskins, looks like its catching with the rest of the animal kingdom!

http://nationalpostnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ikeamonkey.jpg?w=620&h=464

couldn't resist, its the first thing i noticed when this story came out! lol!

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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

I agree - 100%.
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Likewise
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

For me the skinhead trend/fashion of 69 as far I was concerned should never have ceased/died out as I thought it was ideal.  Most of my mates from then in 71ish were quite happy to change with fashion and move on - I did not.  I tried to keep wearing the same clobber but you then become the odd one out and my clothes had to change (mildly).

You see most of us did not see that period as a cult it was just a time in fashion and we knew it would change.  For me and the like minded originals on here it was more than that, it was the epitome of how we wanted to dress and behave and generally live.  It must be strange for the younger members who were not there and to view retrospectively of how it should be or how we would like it to be  - but it wasn't. 

As I say only a few originals really think those days were special. Others who were there thought they were good times and can leave it back there and move on - I can't.  I would turn back the clock any day

Now days I do not dress as a skinhead but still wear straight jeans (with a bit of Lycra) Fred Perry type shirts etc.  I will not pay the prices now for the shirts and made to measure clothes from back in the day and a lot of what I wear now comes from M&S.  Although I still like and buy Loake Royals.  Of course one of the issues of being near 60 is that at 6' tall 17 stone and 48"/50" chest (not mentioning waist ) it becomes difficult to obtain the old clothes.  I also do not want to look stupid - would the clothes I wore and thought great and smart as a teenage now make me look ridiculous and sad?

Its funny you get to the originals ages and look back at your life at over 40 years ago and you think it was just faded memories and then you find this thread and people who were there and really felt and still feel passionate about that time and you suddenly have comrades of a past that certainly mattered to some people, even though to others it had just passed on.

When I met Buttons this year he had so much knowledge and possessions of the day but the only thing he could not obtain was the sense of really being back there ie smells, the buzz, the excitement, the memories etc.  I suppose its like us now reading about the WW1 and WW11 but not really understanding because we were not there to experience it.  But you younger members please keep pushing with questions because it certainly keeps me thinking, reminiscing and keeping the old days alive

I find it fascinating on here that a topic (say sheepskin coats) kicks off and loads of opinions / memories flood in from all over the place.  I could kick myself for not have a photo of my prized 3/4 sheepskin.  But back then you would not have a camera to hand as box brownies were too big the modern camera of the day was too expensive.  If you was in the tourist part of London and a man said he would take your picture you would never see the photo or you 5 bob again!!  Youngsters today are so fortunate with camera phones and digital cameras etc - they will have plenty of photographic memories / records

Enough rambling

Saved, for the book. The material just keeps coming. Thanks Aces.
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I know this is coming from out of nowhere but, does anyone have an idea where I can find a pair of white sta-prest?

 

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post


Thanks Colin, i think i know what your getting at, ive often thought that from a design point of view with clothing theres only so far you can go until it reaches saturation point, lapels, trouser width, dagger collars that would be more at home serving cake to the local vicar being examples of what im getting at.
 Once it gets to that point it has to change and go backwards for want of a better word.

Saxophone, cool instrument, i can manage a tune on a jews harp thats where my musical ability starts and ends, and tbh its not as cool

Sorry Bassett if I sound confusing.It is just that when I remember a certain Article of Clothing or maybe something else,the Memories just pile in.I have been lucky in that,for a few years,I have been able to buy what I fancied and being in contact with various Influences(Mod,Skinhead,after the various Styles in the 70s-Northern Soul)I tried not to dress outragiously-a pair of Spencers contradicts that one...smile.gif.Now it has gone backwards a bit and I for one am loving it.
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If one were to visit London in a near future, where would one go to get some sharp clothes? Mind you, not the formalwear/going out dancing variety, but everyday clothes somewhat close to the subject of this fine thread.
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If one were to visit London in a near future, where would one go to get some sharp clothes? Mind you, not the formalwear/going out dancing variety, but everyday clothes somewhat close to the subject of this fine thread.

 

Son of Stag at Trueman brewery has amazing raw levis , Brogues and great casual Ivy league Americana . For the more formal old style look you cant go wrong down Burlington Arcade for Church's shoes , Crombies etc .

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Sorry Bassett if I sound confusing.It is just that when I remember a certain Article of Clothing or maybe something else,the Memories just pile in.I have been lucky in that,for a few years,I have been able to buy what I fancied and being in contact with various Influences(Mod,Skinhead,after the various Styles in the 70s-Northern Soul)I tried not to dress outragiously-a pair of Spencers contradicts that one...smile.gif.Now it has gone backwards a bit and I for one am loving it.


No need to apologise mate, i find it interesting, when you think of it someone somewhere steps out so to speak and things change.

Take strides for example, 9" inch bottoms are all the rage but someone thinks i'll get a pair with 10" bottoms, if it catches on it keeps going, until a couple of yrs later everyones wearing bags with massive hem widths and the design can go no further, someone somewhere decides, tapered trousers are cool it catches on, before you know it drainpipes are in.

 

I know a lot of what ive said above is applicable to many styles, just look at general high street fashion ( yuk ) influences from everywhere, re-hashed with a label on it, and all yours for an extortianate price. A mate of mine turnt up in the pub a few yrs back with a duffle coat on, complete with hood and wood toogles and tried to convince me it was the latest cool thing, i just laughed and asked if he wanted a marmalade sandwich.

 

Growing up in the 70's my olds would dress me in whatever was on the shop shelves, budgie style jackets, bags, penny rounds etc, it didn't matter to me, i just stuck it on and went out to play.

 

By the time 78 came around i could have a say in what i was wearing and i did not want to wear any of the clobber ive mentioned, i thought it was for old people like me dad, but there were lads older than me at school, football etc, that were wearing harringtons, fred perrys etc etc, that will do me i thought, little did i know i was jumping on a bus that had been that way before.

 

Apologies ive rambled on a bit, i have been known to talk rubbish biggrin.gif

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Basset,speaking of the Duffle coat (I always liked them,never had one)like you say a few years ago in NYC,the winter coat selection went from synthetic materials to wool coats of every shape and size.Lots of pea coats and especially the Duffle coat as well.NY(and I suspect London)Is extremely trendy.Each season there is an item or items that everyone and their maid starts wearing.Autumn 2004 it was Clark's Desert boots in a thousand colors.Everyone had them.And the year before it was Converse All Stars.I always wore what I wanted(being a bohemian and self employed I didn't answer to anyone)But every once in a while what I was wearing became trendy in NYC and sometimes I would switch and sometimes I would not.The Duffle Coat to me is an early 50's(pre R & R)Ivy League item.Although I've seen photos of The Sonics wearing them in the early 60's.

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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post

Basset,speaking of the Duffle coat (I always liked them,never had one)like you say a few years ago in NYC,the winter coat selection went from synthetic materials to wool coats of every shape and size.Lots of pea coats and especially the Duffle coat as well.NY(and I suspect London)Is extremely trendy.Each season there is an item or items that everyone and their maid starts wearing.Autumn 2004 it was Clark's Desert boots in a thousand colors.Everyone had them.And the year before it was Converse All Stars.I always wore what I wanted(being a bohemian and self employed I didn't answer to anyone)But every once in a while what I was wearing became trendy in NYC and sometimes I would switch and sometimes I would not.The Duffle Coat to me is an early 50's(pre R & R)Ivy League item.Although I've seen photos of The Sonics wearing them in the early 60's.


I understand what your saying, i just used the duffle coat as an example of what i was trying to get at, i had one sometime in the mid 70's, but it was a coat me mum bought for me and sent me off to school in, so ive never considered it to be a fashion item just a warm coat, same with parkas ( red lining, grey fur trim to the hood, snorkels, blue with orange lining ) it was all bought for me at the markets or handed down from me cousin, he's six yrs older than me so would probably look on these items in a different light.

 

I think it would be fair to say that most styles and fashions have borrowed bits and pieces from all over the place, teds spring to mind with the drape jacket, high street fashion is the same, i see loads wearing those quilted and diamond stiched shiny coats ( dont know what there called ) dont want to sound blinkered but they look like clones of  Princess Ann or Captain Mark Philips.

 

Re the duffle coat always reminds me of German u boat captains

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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

You could pick up a Sheepskin from the Factory Shops around Middlesex Street etc..,(around `68).They would have no Makers Name or Shop Company Label-just "Real Sheepskin"Label.They were not nicked,imitations or anything,just being sold off by the Factories ( some had been rejected within a Batch)before going out to Stores.You just checked before you bought. I found one of them in a Secondhand Store in Spalding,not too long ago,,bought back memories.I have bought a beauty from one of our Members(on here),and with the weather like it is-getting some wear out.smile.gif
Yankee-Google got upset about the "Skinhead" Tag.

Glad you like it mate smile.gif

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