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post #9241 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I remember when I walked in to our house with my mate 'Cockney Bob', and my mum said, "You look like you both went to the same Borstal!"

So even though it'd been a neat haircut of the Mods in previous years, at what point did it become a hooligan's haircut? (without going back into 19th century fighting gangs etc)
If ye mam connected it with borstal, it must have already gained a bad reputation, even though the term 'skinhead' had probably not gone mainstream yet.
post #9242 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I remember when I walked in to our house with my mate 'Cockney Bob', and my mum said, "You look like you both went to the same Borstal!"


I think someone here mentioned that in the days when long hair was the norm, even hair shaved to as short as a number 5 (which doesn't usually show scalp) would have been considered extreme. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. Nowadays the extreme 'skinhead' interpretation when the term is taken literally by shaving even the stubbles after a buzz cut would probably have shocked back then, but no one would bat an eye lid now. I think the overall traditional smart skinhead with the smartly pressed trousers, tonic suits, buttondowns, pullovers, longwing brogues and loafers would now be considered cleancut compared to the fashion (or lackthereof) of modern kids today. Most people today wouldn't associate the traditional skinhead fashion as "skinhead."
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post

john, i like it in between the two pics. longer than vintage pic, shorter than yours.

Yeah I usually go for the in-between also. But for those particular trousers I opted for slightly longer.With staprests which I wear with both boots and regular shoes I tend to go for slightly shorter with at or just above the ankle.
post #9243 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce View Post

I think someone here mentioned that in the days when long hair was the norm, even hair shaved to as short as a number 5 (which doesn't usually show scalp) would have been considered extreme. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. Nowadays the extreme 'skinhead' interpretation when the term is taken literally by shaving even the stubbles after a buzz cut would probably have shocked back then, but no one would bat an eye lid now. I think the overall traditional smart skinhead with the smartly pressed trousers, tonic suits, buttondowns, pullovers, longwing brogues and loafers would now be considered cleancut compared to the fashion (or lackthereof) of modern kids today. Most people today wouldn't associate the traditional skinhead fashion as "skinhead."

Oh aye, the crop has taken on a totally different (or lack of) meaning nowadays. A no.1 or 2 is now the haircut of anyone more bald than slightly receding (often who's too scared of the mention of the word comb-over) and anyone who can't really be bothered thinking about what haircut to get as a crop's cheap and easy (and made totally acceptable by all those losing their hair). It takes the edge off completely, even compared to when I was a kid (never mind in the 60s).

I always thought it was them trouble making skinheads (smile.gif) that got the crop the hooligan name as previously, despite its shock value as a haircut, wasn't really synonymous with any particular group (unless of course, its the troublesome mods from a couple of years previous).

And as I've said on here before, it was a shame that revival skinheads were tagged with the name 'skinhead' at all. If they'd been called something else, the skinhead fashion would have been buried deep in the early 70's, for what it was, rather than being bastardised repeatedly to what its been at various steps along the way, since.
post #9244 of 18453
In the 60s my Dad would say to me.. get your hair cut you look like a Beatnik, So when i came home with a Shaved head, Well done Son.. clean and smart, after getting nicked a few times, Dad said thats the last time you get your head shaved,biggrin.gif

Yes MoM the Borstal comment was also used,smile.gif
post #9245 of 18453
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

Oh aye, the crop has taken on a totally different (or lack of) meaning nowadays. A no.1 or 2 is now the haircut of anyone more bald than slightly receding (often who's too scared of the mention of the word comb-over) and anyone who can't really be bothered thinking about what haircut to get as a crop's cheap and easy (and made totally acceptable by all those losing their hair). It takes the edge off completely, even compared to when I was a kid (never mind in the 60s).
I always thought it was them trouble making skinheads (smile.gif) that got the crop the hooligan name as previously, despite its shock value as a haircut, wasn't really synonymous with any particular group (unless of course, its the troublesome mods from a couple of years previous).
And as I've said on here before, it was a shame that revival skinheads were tagged with the name 'skinhead' at all. If they'd been called something else, the skinhead fashion would have been buried deep in the early 70's, for what it was, rather than being bastardised repeatedly to what its been at various steps along the way, since.


Interrestingly enough across the pond the term 'skinhead' had an entirely different meaning in the 60s. It was just another term either derogatory or a term of endearment for US Marines.
post #9246 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce View Post

I think someone here mentioned that in the days when long hair was the norm, even hair shaved to as short as a number 5 (which doesn't usually show scalp) would have been considered extreme. I mean correct me if I'm wrong. Nowadays the extreme 'skinhead' interpretation when the term is taken literally by shaving even the stubbles after a buzz cut would probably have shocked back then, but no one would bat an eye lid now. I think the overall traditional smart skinhead with the smartly pressed trousers, tonic suits, buttondowns, pullovers, longwing brogues and loafers would now be considered cleancut compared to the fashion (or lackthereof) of modern kids today. Most people today wouldn't associate the traditional skinhead fashion as "skinhead."

True that. When dressed "traditionally" (that is, more into loafers, brogues, sta-press, shirt and crombie then boots, jeans and harrington), I've several times been asked "what do you call this style?" Random people in the pub, a taxi driver, friends from friends, all understand at first glance that it shows the belonging to a sub-culture, a crew, a style, but are pretty surprised and sometimes don't even want to believe it when the word "skinhead" comes to my mouth.
post #9247 of 18453

The one thing that pisses me off is when the media comes out with, skinhead thugs blah blah, only to show a pic of some fat bald headed bloke wearing a football shirt or shitty chav type clothing.

Trouser length, cant see the point in having a nice pair of strides with a neat crease in them touching yer shoes, ruins said crease imo, i like some sock showing but get the usual comments i.e are you saving for the rest of your trousers.

Regarding the hair comments, me mum had curly hair when she was a kid and nan would put bows and ribbons etc in it, her and a mate went to a gents barbers one day and got what she called an urchin cut, she described it as similar to what me aunty had in the early 70's (feather cut) but more severe, nan gave her a hiding with the washing tongs, any of are more mature posters heard of an urchin cut?
 

post #9248 of 18453
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

So even though it'd been a neat haircut of the Mods in previous years, at what point did it become a hooligan's haircut? (without going back into 19th century fighting gangs etc)
If ye mam connected it with borstal, it must have already gained a bad reputation, even though the term 'skinhead' had probably not gone mainstream yet.

Okay this has to be the creepiest name-drop on the thread, but this all kicked off about the time I got drafted in to one of Jimmy Saville's radio forum discussions on Radio 1. Apparently they wanted a crop-head and someone who knew someone who knew someone got in touch with me. [Before you ask, no, I saw nothing of the goings-on currently in the news; we were ushered into a studio in Bush House, recorded the programme, and out again.]

The subject was 'travelling'. In '68 I used to hitch-hike a lot between London and The North, and people (mainly families in cars) used to pick me up quite a lot, and say "I picked you up because you have such a neat hairstyle. I don't pick up young men with long hair." But by '69 the situation had reversed - short hair was seen as a problem and long hair was taken to denote someone 'safe'. That marked the end of my trips up North. That was my input into the discussion.

And that really does sum it up. It was seen generally as a hooligan cut when the 'skinhead' thing hit the papers. That wasn't long after Chris Welch's "Mod, Mod world' article which did associate mods with violence but had limited general effect as it was in a rock magazine.

Come to think of it, Cockney Bob and I were both wearing denims at the time, so it was probably as much that as our haircuts, although CB had only recently gone from a slightly longer mod cut to a crop.
post #9249 of 18453
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

Oh aye, the crop has taken on a totally different (or lack of) meaning nowadays. A no.1 or 2 is now the haircut of anyone more bald than slightly receding (often who's too scared of the mention of the word comb-over) and anyone who can't really be bothered thinking about what haircut to get as a crop's cheap and easy (and made totally acceptable by all those losing their hair).

Damn. Busted!

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post #9250 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Yes MoM the Borstal comment was also used,smile.gif

heh heh smile.gif
post #9251 of 18453
Great barnets here -



Caption says '1970' , what do you think?

Dig the 'cow horn' handlebars biggrin.gif
post #9252 of 18453
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post

Great barnets here -

Caption says '1970' , what do you think?
Dig the 'cow horn' handlebars biggrin.gif

I had forgotten all about 'cow horn' handlebars.  I remember customizing my pushbike as did your mates in around 66/67 to look the part.  We thought we were the nuts.  Must have been 13 years old and made up bikes from the local waste sites - did not have council tip then - Parents still could not afford to throw anything away!!

 

The lads look around 14 / 15 years old and smartly turned out.  I reckon 1970 is right

 

You could not have your hair too short back then or you would never get a girlfriend - as the picture or another guard size down was acceptable or otherwise you were regarded as borstal material

 

Good photo bunty

post #9253 of 18453
Was Cow Horn Handlebars around then? The first time i remember seeing them was about 73/4. Not saying they wern't around before that, but i dont think i saw them.
post #9254 of 18453
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Originally Posted by harrysgame View Post

Was Cow Horn Handlebars around then? The first time i remember seeing them was about 73/4. Not saying they wern't around before that, but i dont think i saw t

For us kids they were a must have thing at that time as they were rebellious to standard bars.  We also used to be on the hunt for old motorbike handlebars having to make homemade shims to fill the gap difference in tube - happy days of the junior pushbike mechanics!!

post #9255 of 18453
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

For us kids they were a must have thing at that time as they were rebellious to standard bars.  We also used to be on the hunt for old motorbike handlebars having to make homemade shims to fill the gap difference in tube - happy days of the junior pushbike mechanics!!
I remember i built one with a fixed wheel - so no need for brakes! icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

And who can forget slipping chains and crashing your love spuds on the crossbar of some old pile of crap you'd pieced together.

Always reminds me, nowadays, of the Jonny Cash song: One Piece At A Time.

Cow horn handlebars were great - but impractical.

On a similar note, we used to go to Manchester Belle Vue Speedway - The Aces - which was choc-a-bloc with greasers and rarely had any problems.
We were young, 14-16, so they probably didn't think we were worth the bovver.

Every other week was speedway or stock cars. We'd go to both then into the bowling alley afterwards.

Carefree days, happy memories.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Belle+vue+manchester&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=_B2UUNDrNJCV0QWptoGACA&ved=0CGEQsAQ&biw=1267&bih=626
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