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I have just finished reading the skinhead 1969/70 part of 'Booted and suited' based in Bristol.   The stories could have been from anywhere in the country.  They certainly applied to my time at that period in North Kent. 

 

Something that brought back memories and something I had completely forgotten about that was mentioned in the early part of the book was that of getting another leather sole put on your Royals even though they were not worn down to give a thicker / chunkier feel and appearance and of course the inclusion of Blakeys front and back for that smart marching sound. 

 

The Royals I have now have a rubber heel but I am sure the ones in 69 had leather heels to match the soles. 

 

Colin your memory is normally on the button whats your recollection?

post #9182 of 19259
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

I have just finished reading the skinhead 1969/70 part of 'Booted and suited' based in Bristol.   The stories could have been from anywhere in the country.  They certainly applied to my time at that period in North Kent. 

Something that brought back memories and something I had completely forgotten about that was mentioned in the early part of the book was that of getting another leather sole put on your Royals even though they were not worn down to give a thicker / chunkier feel and appearance and of course the inclusion of Blakeys front and back for that smart marching sound. 

The Royals I have now have a rubber heel but I am sure the ones in 69 had leather heels to match the soles. 

Colin your memory is normally on the button whats your recollection?

I'm convinced and I said so in the book that this was the forerunner of platform shoes, people laugh at me when I've said it before but I remember seeing brogues so built up on the soles and heels that they looked ludicrous, within a year shoes were being manufactured that way and we were all wearing them.

It wouldn't be the first time that the fashion world copied what the trendsetters were wearing and not the other way around.
post #9183 of 19259
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Friend of mine has these on fleabay at the minute, theyre of a real high quality. Whats everyones thoughts on them. Theyre benchmade, which is unusual for Jones.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/jones-bootmakers-bench-made-oxford-smooths-uk-9-5-oxblood-skinhead-mod-oi-polloi-/140870016450?pt=UK_Men_s_Shoes&hash=item20cc81ddc2

 

You wanna see the suit hes listing tomorrow, fantatstic mohair, shame about the cut. Be fine for anyone wanting to look mid 70's though


Nice pair of shoes, ive got a pair of jones brogues, comfortable shoes, quite trim around the heel if that makes sense and good quality, my ankles are shot these days, but i could wear them for a day/night unlike loakes which make me look like im suffering with elephantitus

post #9184 of 19259
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I'm planning to buy my first pair of brogues, black Loake Royals from Jump The Gun to be precise! But considering that I can't try them on and I never got shoes of that kind, I have no clue about the sizing...any suggestion??

Are you in the UK? If you have a branch of Debenhams near you you might find they stock Loakes.
post #9185 of 19259
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Are you in the UK? If you have a branch of Debenhams near you you might find they stock Loakes.

If not,try the Loake Website.

George I believe you are right.Leather Heels on Royals the pair I have got(from America)has got a Repairers Rubber Heel on.

Lasttye had a pair of Longwings on,when we went to see Jim Cox.They had Leather Heels(do not know what make)and they had Leather Heels on-the Royals were exactly the same.
post #9186 of 19259
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I'm convinced and I said so in the book that this was the forerunner of platform shoes, people laugh at me when I've said it before but I remember seeing brogues so built up on the soles and heels that they looked ludicrous, within a year shoes were being manufactured that way and we were all wearing them.
It wouldn't be the first time that the fashion world copied what the trendsetters were wearing and not the other way around.

Yes,the extra Leather Sole.I only saw the two Leather thickness(Solatios the same-now I can see a resemblance between the Gibsons and the Norwegians,with wooden looking soles,that started the Platform Sole..I did not put Blakeys on Loafers like some did.To me,that threw the Shoe out.
post #9187 of 19259
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Originally Posted by gaul View Post

I'm planning to buy my first pair of brogues, black Loake Royals from Jump The Gun to be precise! But considering that I can't try them on and I never got shoes of that kind, I have no clue about the sizing...any suggestion??
Going to a shop to try them on is probably the best advice. But be sure to wear the socks you're gonna wear them in and go in the afternoon when you feet are already slightly bigger than in the morning (yes feet get up to 1/2 size bigger during the day). Also if that are your first dress shoes don't make the error to buy them too small/tight (if there is any pain or anything gets squashed they are definitely too small) get something comfortable. Dress shoes feel quite differently than boots and trainers and might feel less snug at first.

Helpful online tools are: http://sizeadvisors.com/shoes/
I found their recommendations a bit to small though

The sizing toolkit from http://www.allenedmonds.com/ which you can print out to measure your feet.
I found it to be very helpful. It gives you US size and width which you can convert to UK sizes by going one size down (e.g. US10=UK9). You can find shoe width conversion charts online. This shows you if you've got wider feet and if the Loake Royals in F are potentially too narrow for you.
post #9188 of 19259
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Originally Posted by Pressure_Drop View Post

I'm convinced and I said so in the book that this was the forerunner of platform shoes, people laugh at me when I've said it before but I remember seeing brogues so built up on the soles and heels that they looked ludicrous, within a year shoes were being manufactured that way and we were all wearing them.
It wouldn't be the first time that the fashion world copied what the trendsetters were wearing and not the other way around.
It hadn't occurred to me - the 'building-up' - but I do see it now.

And while platforms had been popular for women post-war... why not the same for men?

Stack heels first - sort of wooden-effect - closely followed by ankle-wrecking platforms.

And kids today think they have it tough... satisfied.gif
Edited by Ed Vaughan - 10/22/12 at 8:42am
post #9189 of 19259
I have been having my shoes double soled since the late 70s, Brogues, Crossovers and Norwegians. My brothers used to do this in the sixties and 70s before platforms were the fashion. I have never thought that it might be possible the double soled shoes might have been the forerunner to platform shoes. Makes sense come to think of it.
post #9190 of 19259
Although i always believed the double soled shoes were to give the shoes a more chunkier look rather than height. Was this the case in the 60/70s?
post #9191 of 19259

I got my loafers clumped, stacked, built up whatever you want to call it, wouldn't want to go any thicker, me ankles wont take it and i'd get altitude sickness biggrin.gif

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That was about the norm back in the day Mike but definitely saw a lot thicker than that with some of the more avant garde - or was it the vertically challenged - going double if not treble that (personally I thought they looked ridiculous).

The first 'platform' shoes or sorts that I can recall had a big rounded toe cap and a slightly elevated wood effect sole (actually synthetic) think they've already been referred to as 'toppers' in and around London but we called them 'madcaps' down here.

To also add to the mocassin debate, these were very common wear in the mid 70s - not just indoors! Not at all practical but incredibly comfortable, bit like wearing slippers, useless in a scrap but useful if you had to leg it. There was also a heavy duty mocassin with a thick sole that we used to wear in about 1971, not sure of the official name but we called them 'Bovver mocs'.
post #9193 of 19259
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

 

I bought 2 pairs a couple of years ago from a London shop and I think they are a F width as standard.  I am a 10 and the fit on both pairs was generous and comfortable - not loose - a decent fit

 

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


Are you in the UK? If you have a branch of Debenhams near you you might find they stock Loakes.

 

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Originally Posted by Sipreano View Post


Going to a shop to try them on is probably the best advice. But be sure to wear the socks you're gonna wear them in and go in the afternoon when you feet are already slightly bigger than in the morning (yes feet get up to 1/2 size bigger during the day). Also if that are your first dress shoes don't make the error to buy them too small/tight (if there is any pain or anything gets squashed they are definitely too small) get something comfortable. Dress shoes feel quite differently than boots and trainers and might feel less snug at first.
Helpful online tools are: http://sizeadvisors.com/shoes/
I found their recommendations a bit to small though
The sizing toolkit from http://www.allenedmonds.com/ which you can print out to measure your feet.
I found it to be very helpful. It gives you US size and width which you can convert to UK sizes by going one size down (e.g. US10=UK9). You can find shoe width conversion charts online. This shows you if you've got wider feet and if the Loake Royals in F are potentially too narrow for you.

 

Thanks for all your advices! Unfortunately I'm not in the UK and I'm definitely not familiar with imperial units since, here in the continent, we use that strange thing called metric system!! :) Anyway, I will try to manage it trough the sites that you linked me...wish me luck, and thanks again!

post #9194 of 19259
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Originally Posted by Pressure_Drop View Post

That was about the norm back in the day Mike but definitely saw a lot thicker than that with some of the more avant garde - or was it the vertically challenged - going double if not treble that (personally I thought they looked ridiculous).
The first 'platform' shoes or sorts that I can recall had a big rounded toe cap and a slightly elevated wood effect sole (actually synthetic) think they've already been referred to as 'toppers' in and around London but we called them 'madcaps' down here.
To also add to the mocassin debate, these were very common wear in the mid 70s - not just indoors! Not at all practical but incredibly comfortable, bit like wearing slippers, useless in a scrap but useful if you had to leg it. There was also a heavy duty mocassin with a thick sole that we used to wear in about 1971, not sure of the official name but we called them 'Bovver mocs'.


Interesting Chris, ive heard the term toppers but tbh had no idea what they are, never heard the term madcaps, the way you and others describe them makes me think of the shoes i always refered to as duckbills as a kid, dont recall owning a pair but remember having my fingers crushed by a pair worn by a kiddie a bit older than me, a dispute over a ball bonk whilst playing marbles.

 I remember moc's being worn in the 80's never wore them myself, i did used to wear those chinese slippers/karate daps, black canvas/velvet, orangey brown plastic sole, god knows why, i suppose i was just doing what me mates were doing

post #9195 of 19259
Had the pleasure of meeting mr. Buttons over here, when he honored us with a visit @ our little weekender in Eindhoven, here in the Netherlands:




Great fella! Was a pleasure meeting you mr. Buttons!
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