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post #8836 of 12482
9/7/12 at 6:57am
It is interesting to see,John Simons had above his Shop(in Russell Street,1981-2010)"Traditional American Clothes".I am sure he had a similar Shop Sign in Richmond.
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post #8837 of 12482
9/7/12 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

It is interesting to see,John Simons had above his Shop(in Russell Street,1981-2010)"Traditional American Clothes".I am sure he had a similar Shop Sign in Richmond.

Yes, but that does not imply every item in stock was American made. Paraboot is clearly French, for example, and the Haggar shirt I bought in Russell Street clearly states 'Made in China'
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post #8838 of 12482
9/7/12 at 10:33am
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Yes, but that does not imply every item in stock was American made. Paraboot is clearly French, for example, and the Haggar shirt I bought in Russell Street clearly states 'Made in China'

It is what the original idea was.To bring the "Ivy League" Style to a larger Audience.The" Look" was associated with American College Dress.On Jazz Albums you had the Artists dressed that way. When you look through the "Ivy League" Book,you see how much it influenced both French and Italian Cinema(Dress wise I mean).It even went to Japan,in `64-where the "Look" was very much in evidence.Looking at John Simons Shop Page now and you will see he has altered it to "Handpicked From A Selection Of American,Continental and English Goods".The only Shop I went to(similar to The Ivy Shop)was "Harringtons"-run by his exPartner,from those times.Interesting Person to talk to.
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post #8839 of 12482
9/7/12 at 10:36am
The Goods were more expensive,because (for the most part)they were supposedly being bought in from America.
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post #8840 of 12482
9/8/12 at 2:18am
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Yes, but that does not imply every item in stock was American made. Paraboot is clearly French, for example, and the Haggar shirt I bought in Russell Street clearly states 'Made in China'

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Pretty much everything I buy or currently own was "Made in China".
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post #8841 of 12482
9/8/12 at 2:23am
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Pretty much everything I buy or currently own was "Made in China".

Largely irrelevant to this discussion - unless you used to shop in The Ivy Shop or The Squire Shop back in the day, or JS' more recent establishment in Covent Garden.
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post #8842 of 12482
9/8/12 at 3:49am
Kingstonian,do you still buy a lot from JS?I ask this ,because through him I still purchase American Brand Shirts(though they are not made in the States).I find,even with the p&p they are still cheaper than him.There are also other Items of Clothing I have been interested in-and those Prices compare very well as well.
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post #8843 of 12482
9/8/12 at 4:09am
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Kingstonian,do you still buy a lot from JS?I ask this ,because through him I still purchase American Brand Shirts(though they are not made in the States).I find,even with the p&p they are still cheaper than him.There are also other Items of Clothing I have been interested in-and those Prices compare very well as well.

No not really. Also there was a huge gap when I stopped buying in the early 70s and then rediscovered his shop decades later. Lasttye or Brideshead would know a lot more about JS stuff over the whole of his retailing career.

Are you saying you discovered the names to look for then sourced them direct from US or elsewhere ? If yes then you would probably undercut him. The big downside is customs charges.
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post #8844 of 12482
9/8/12 at 4:10am

What brands?

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post #8845 of 12482
9/8/12 at 4:36am
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No not really. Also there was a huge gap when I stopped buying in the early 70s and then rediscovered his shop decades later. Lasttye or Brideshead would know a lot more about JS stuff over the whole of his retailing career.
Are you saying you discovered the names to look for then sourced them direct from US or elsewhere ? If yes then you would probably undercut him. The big downside is customs charges.

I only buy for my Personal use.In the back of "The Ivy League" by Graham Marsh and JP Gaul,there is Listing of who is still going.There is a a part called "R.I.P..Gone But Not Forgotten",in which Troy Shirtmakers Guild is listed.I see John Simons has got that Brand in his present Shop.Did somebody else take over the Label?

Sirryacus,I buy mainly Brooks Brothers,Hathaway and Van Heusan(the Range that V.H. do in America is different from here).The reasons being,as I have a "Fuller Figure",I am Tall and an 18+ Neck,I find the XXL fits me-with slightly longer Sleeves.
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post #8846 of 12482
9/8/12 at 4:50am
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I only buy for my Personal use.In the back of "The Ivy League" by Graham Marsh and JP Gaul,there is Listing of who is still going.There is a a part called "R.I.P..Gone But Not Forgotten",in which Troy Shirtmakers Guild is listed.I see John Simons has got that Brand in his present Shop.Did somebody else take over the Label?
Sirryacus,I buy mainly Brooks Brothers,Hathaway and Van Heusan(the Range that V.H. do in America is different from here).The reasons being,as I have a "Fuller Figure",I am Tall and an 18+ Neck,I find the XXL fits me-with slightly longer Sleeves.

I bought Van Heusen in Lake Tahoe . Polycotton or 'permanent press' as it used to be called. Present day Ivyists turn their noses up at anything not pure cotton but these are great indestructible shirts. I do not know about Troy shirts but on FNB, Mercer seems to be the 'go to' brand or old stock Brooks -not so much of the currently offered items. Lands End occasionally gets a mention.

By the way, I referenced your post on Film Noir Buff and you get consequently get some flak there for the perception that you are knocking JS.... and also for being a skinhead. FNB posters are more rumpled Ivyists and many look down on skins, even though skins were JS biggest customers.
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post #8847 of 12482
9/8/12 at 4:58am

I see, van heusen and hathaway are indeed very cheap here in the states and almost given away in their used forms, I know brooks brothers is not cheap but I often find very nice ones used for a couple bucks a piece as well, I often run into vintage van heusen ties as well some wild patterns from the 60's for sure, did you ever get a brand called Pebble Beach of California there in the 60's/70's? I see it pop up every once in awhile but there isn't much info online, its obviously based on pebble beach golf course area around monterey california and usually golf related but a lot of their stuff would have tied in a lot with the ivy league look for sure.

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post #8848 of 12482
9/8/12 at 5:03am
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I bought Van Heusen in Lake Tahoe . Polycotton or 'permanent press' as it used to be called. Present day Ivyists turn their noses up at anything not pure cotton but these are great indestructible shirts. I do not know about Troy shirts but on FNB, Mercer seems to be the 'go to' brand or old stock Brooks -not so much of the currently offered items. Lands End occasionally gets a mention.
By the way, I referenced your post on Film Noir Buff and you get consequently get some flak there for the perception that you are knocking JS.... and also for being a skinhead. FNB posters are more rumpled Ivyists and many look down on skins, even though skins were JS biggest customers.

I was reading their Comments,on that Site,regarding the Ivy Shop.Some came from Hanwell.
The bit about the Albany Range of Shirts, being made in Walthamstow,came from JS himself-in"The Soul Stylists". smile.gif

The Skinheads were the lower end of the Mods,according to the earlier Stylists.The attitude in the Shop portrayed that.JS started in Richmond because he saw that was where the money was(he came from the East End,why did he not expand from a doorway there)a blossoming R&B Scene was happening around West and North West London-with the Mods.As I said,he was a very astute Businessman.
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post #8849 of 12482
9/8/12 at 5:06am
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I only buy for my Personal use.In the back of "The Ivy League" by Graham Marsh and JP Gaul,there is Listing of who is still going.There is a a part called "R.I.P..Gone But Not Forgotten",in which Troy Shirtmakers Guild is listed.I see John Simons has got that Brand in his present Shop.Did somebody else take over the Label?

Yes it does say that. I note O'Connells also sell Troy
http://shop.oconnellsclothing.com/troy_guild_shirtmakers_dress_shirts.php

Troy went out of business though

http://shirtfactorygf.com/history
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post #8850 of 12482
9/8/12 at 5:18am
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Yes it does say that. I note O'Connells also sell Troy
http://shop.oconnellsclothing.com/troy_guild_shirtmakers_dress_shirts.php
Troy went out of business though
http://shirtfactorygf.com/history

I was just looking through O`Connells just now.Like the Raincoat from Chrysalis(sorry cannot bring the Link up),for $995.
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