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post #8731 of 18395
" Harrington Jackets, UK Original 1960's, Harrington Jacket, Harringtons.
 
We have been manufacturing our Combat label Harrington Jackets in the UK for over 40 years, no one else in the UK can claim this. We are THE UK's ORIGINAL HARRINGTON JACKET MANUFACTURER. Our jackets are made using the best quality fabrics and not cheap materials. There IS a difference between our Harrington jackets and others. YOU WILL NOT FIND BETTER QUALITY POLY/COTTON FOR UNDER £70.
Traditional, original and authentic Harrington Jackets manufactured by us using the same pattern and cut we have had for over 40 years. "
 
surely that claim is bollocks as Baracuta is the OG ' harrington ' and made in the UK for much longer , still easily the finest jacket of its style .
post #8732 of 18395
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

" Harrington Jackets, UK Original 1960's, Harrington Jacket, Harringtons.
 
We have been manufacturing our Combat label Harrington Jackets in the UK for over 40 years, no one else in the UK can claim this. We are THE UK's ORIGINAL HARRINGTON JACKET MANUFACTURER. Our jackets are made using the best quality fabrics and not cheap materials. There IS a difference between our Harrington jackets and others. YOU WILL NOT FIND BETTER QUALITY POLY/COTTON FOR UNDER £70.
Traditional, original and authentic Harrington Jackets manufactured by us using the same pattern and cut we have had for over 40 years. "
 
surely that claim is bollocks as Baracuta is the OG ' harrington ' and made in the UK for much longer , still easily the finest jacket of its style .

Except that 1960s skinheads were wearing Harringtons from Millets which did not have a knitted collar like Baracuta. Who actually made them for Millets, I could not say.
post #8733 of 18395
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Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce View Post

When companies like FP, and DMs move production out of England, does it necessarily have to mean a decline in quality or could products made in China be just as good in terms of quality?
History has shown this to be the case in general (but not always). Companies get bought and sold all the time, and shareholders care little about nostalgia. A company that moves production to China is doing so to increase profit margins. The cost to the consumer never goes down, after all. The next logical step to increase profits is to either lower the quality of the raw materials or the amount time spent crafting the product. Or both.

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

surely that claim is bollocks as Baracuta is the OG ' harrington ' and made in the UK for much longer , still easily the finest jacket of its style .
I believe I read a claim of another company that greatly predates Baracuta in a mens style book just the other day. I'll see if I can't find the quote and post back later. Then again, the book also refers to the harrington as a blouson jacket. Anyone heard that term used to describe a harrington before?
post #8734 of 18395
Wiki's take on a 'blouson":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blouson

It's about right for me - despite me taking many Wiki 'facts' as bollocks. smile.gif
post #8735 of 18395
I don't think any of the baracuta jackets are actually made in the uk anymore tbh.
post #8736 of 18395
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Originally Posted by Gramps View Post

I don't think any of the baracuta jackets are actually made in the uk anymore tbh.
A limited selection are being advertised as such, for a premium of course.
post #8737 of 18395
All the ones I have are labeled as made in the uk, but they're not. I know a few people in the outlet that they come into, usually about £20 - £30.
post #8738 of 18395
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Originally Posted by Kingstonian View Post

Except that 1960s skinheads were wearing Harringtons from Millets which did not have a knitted collar like Baracuta. Who actually made them for Millets, I could not say.

Made in Hong Kong, probably.
post #8739 of 18395
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Originally Posted by HughJ View Post

History has shown this to be the case in general (but not always). Companies get bought and sold all the time, and shareholders care little about nostalgia. A company that moves production to China is doing so to increase profit margins. The cost to the consumer never goes down, after all. The next logical step to increase profits is to either lower the quality of the raw materials or the amount time spent crafting the product. Or both.

Which is often what the Chinese contractors will be doing. Because they wan't to make as maximum profit as they can. The client is looking for the cheapest tender possible, the Chinese contractor's margins are cut to the bone. We'll make your polos for 6 quid a piece, in lots of 10,000, so you can sell them for 100 quid each.

What frequently happens is, they'll start out making a product like polos, jeans, harringtons, toys, hairdryers, confectionary, toiletries, etc. as specifiied by the client. But then they'll try and find ways of lowering the production cost, either by using cheaper, lower quality materials and/or seeing what they can save on labour and workmanship, and they hope that the client doesn't notice the gradual decline in product quality. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. All depends if they regularly do spot checks on product quality as they come into the country.

I think only ways to really avoid this, is if the client keeps a QA team in the factory 24/7, which is expensive, or if Fred Perry or whatever owns the factory.

How many times have we read about product safety recalls with Chinese made products, things like lead paint in toys, dangerous electricals, contaminated shampoo, etc.

BTW if anyone thinks that cheap clothes from Tesco, Sainsbury or Primark are bad, should see some of the dreck that gets sold here in China. On the other hand there are some really nice things made in China. I love Erdos cashmere & wool sweaters, but then this company is making and distributing their own product, under their own name and is privately owned.
Edited by MikeDT - 8/22/12 at 9:41pm
post #8740 of 18395
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Originally Posted by Sipreano View Post

I hope http://www.bennevisclothing.com/Harrington-Jacket-Classic-Cotton-Harrington-Jacket doesn't use slave labour or Solovair or Allen Edmonds..... satisfied.gif
For knitwear i go for the stuff made in Hawick. If you don't want a Lyle&Scott eagle on your chest you can get excellent quality for a decent price:
http://www.hawickknitwear.com/
or
http://www.whiteofhawick.net/
for example.
Or alternatively Alan Paine:
http://www.ap-shoponline.com/
Haven't bought anything from them for a long time but had a nice cricket jumper in the past.
Sometimes it can be not that easy to get a good fit though. That is one of the advantages of Fred Perry, they have a slimmer cut for a more athletic build while classic knitwear is sometimes in a looser fit.
As far as brand whoring is concerned i'm long past that stage where i cared for visible brand labels. I'm primarily looking for quality and fit. Me personally i would nowadays never wear two FP items together (might be hard though if you have a FP Harrington satisfied.gif) and am much more impressed with a person dressing smart without using too many items of the "usual" brands.

I had forgotten about Alan Paine.When I lived in Guildford,used to go to their Factory Shop,in Godalming, to buy some Jumpers.They were a little bit more expensive(even in their Shop),but Quality Jumpers.I was taken around their Production Area once.Good to see them still going!!smile.gif
post #8741 of 18395
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

Which is often what the Chinese contractors will be doing. Because they wan't to make as maximum profit as they can. The client is looking for the cheapest tender possible, the Chinese contractor's margins are cut to the bone. We'll make your polos for 6 quid a piece, in lots of 10,000, so you can sell them for 100 quid each.
What frequently happens is, they'll start out making a product like polos, jeans, harringtons, toys, hairdryers, confectionary, toiletries, etc. as specifiied by the client. But then they'll try and find ways of lowering the production cost, either by using cheaper, lower quality materials and/or seeing what they can save on labour and workmanship, and they hope that the client doesn't notice the gradual decline in product quality. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. All depends if they regularly do spot checks on product quality as they come into the country.
I think only ways to really avoid this, is if the client keeps a QA team in the factory 24/7, which is expensive, or if Fred Perry or whatever owns the factory.
How many times have we read about product safety recalls with Chinese made products, things like lead paint in toys, dangerous electricals, contaminated shampoo, etc.
BTW if anyone thinks that cheap clothes from Tesco, Sainsbury or Primark are bad, should see some of the dreck that gets sold here in China. On the other hand there are some really nice things made in China. I love Erdos cashmere & wool sweaters, but then this company is making and distributing their own product, under their own name and is privately owned.

I think this is what happens,in any Company(Chinese or otherwise).They start off great then a gradual drop of Quality starts.Only the real Luxury end of the Market,do you see proper Controls in place.Reputation is on the Line.People like FP etc., go for Quantity.M&S went through a dodgy Period,but I see they have pulled up their "Socks" a bit.
post #8742 of 18395
I think some Baracuta harringtons are still Made in England. On their site some are proclaimed as such - where others are not. I recently bought a couple of their polo shirts and they have no country of origin shown at all.

http://www.baracuta-g9.com/Made-In-England/all
post #8743 of 18395

What is the general view on here of the Mikel Rude shirts http://mikkelrude.co.uk/  im a big fan myself , they actually seem much more authentic than the Brutus / BS reissues ?

post #8744 of 18395

Gramps - Got any proof or substance to the claim the Made in England Baracuta stuff isn't made in England?

 

As an aside that claim by Combat about the quality etc for under £70 is basically redundant. You can pick up Merc jackets in sales for under £40 if you look hard enough. And if you're lucky and very fast Made in England Baracuta's for £10 or £20 more. A while ago I even managed to get a Baracuta for £20! Though it was mesh lined not tartan.

 

Brideshead - Same as you on the polo's. Probably made somewhere with very cheap labour. Bit on the thin side and nowhere near worth the rrp. But not bad for £20 a piece. Fred Perry are miles better. 

post #8745 of 18395
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Originally Posted by baggycasual View Post

A while ago I even managed to get a Baracuta for £20! Though it was mesh lined not tartan.
Interesting, I didn't know these mesh ones were available. I'd wear mine more often if it had a solid lining.
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