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post #8716 of 18763
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Originally Posted by HughJ View Post


I naively/accidentally purchased a fake about 10 years ago on eBay, and this was my experience with the elastic too - especially after a wash. However, as MikeDT suggests, if it is from an "unauthorised second-run production", it would be 100% identical and you'd never know.

I had a similar experience - they looked legit in the pictures but when I got em home they were obvious knock-offs. Should have known that the price was too good to be true. I ended up selling them to a 2nd hand/'vintage' clothes shop for about what I'd paid for em, so no huge loss but a lesson learned. 

post #8717 of 18763

The problem is a lot of brands are charging premium prices yet their quality is going down year after year, if you move production to the 3rd world you shouldn't be charging premium prices its as simple as that, I would even dare to say I am sometimes starting to doubt these made in U.S.A. or England tags on anything, there is no proof it wasn't another ploy to squeeze even more out of an item when it was really made in china or elsewhere in a sweat shop.

post #8718 of 18763
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Originally Posted by kicksinstyle View Post

Just want to point out that Levi's IS a global corporation with stores, factories, and offices everywhere, but at the end of the day it is still owned by descendants of Levi Strauss, not shareholders, conglomerates, banks etc. 
Also, if you are prepared to pay a premium for quality, there are quite a lot of made in the USA Levi's available, especially in the Levis Vintage Clothing range. 

Hey thanks for the heads-up kicksinstyle. That's very good news to me, Levi is making gear in the US. smile.gif I presume they're using US labour and not migrant Mexicans?

I heard earlier this year that a famous company in British clothing is basically no more, Aquascutum. The Corby factory closed and the name was bought by a Chinese fashion house, YGM.

BTW I see a lot of MG and Rover cars here in China these days, usually sold by "Morris Garage" dealerships. They're actually good as well, far better than anything British Leyland made.

We used to laugh at Japanese cars, we don't now.
We used to laugh at Korean cars, we don't now.
We laugh at Chinese cars.......

Edited by MikeDT - 8/20/12 at 5:25pm
post #8719 of 18763
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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

The problem is a lot of brands are charging premium prices yet their quality is going down year after year, if you move production to the 3rd world you shouldn't be charging premium prices its as simple as that,

Many people quite happily pay the premium prices though, probably for the perceived cachet and prestige of having a certain logo on one's polo, jeans, etc. Whether it be laurel leaves, crocodile, polo pony, etc.
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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

I would even dare to say I am sometimes starting to doubt these made in U.S.A. or England tags on anything, there is no proof it wasn't another ploy to squeeze even more out of an item when it was really made in china or elsewhere in a sweat shop.

There's "Made in Italy" ...in a Chinese sweat shop.
http://www.newser.com/story/19540/made-in-italy-in-a-chinese-sweatshop.html
post #8720 of 18763
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Originally Posted by kicksinstyle View Post

I had a similar experience - they looked legit in the pictures but when I got em home they were obvious knock-offs. Should have known that the price was too good to be true. I ended up selling them to a 2nd hand/'vintage' clothes shop for about what I'd paid for em, so no huge loss but a lesson learned. 

Should have seen what a Mongolian friend of mine bought from Taobao, Levi 501s for 60RMB (6 quid). They looked fine in the picture, which was probably just copied from Levi's website. But what arrived looked nothing like what I knew as Levi 501s, except for the cardboard label. My friend actually though they where OK, having never seen the real thing. They lasted two months before they fell apart.
post #8721 of 18763
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

I avoid anything that I think is blatantly counterfeit, misspelled words...

I would LOVE to own a 'Bolex' watch! biggrin.gif
post #8722 of 18763
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Originally Posted by Kingstonian View Post


A nice place to live but very expensive in recent years. It still has a lot of individual shops rather than the national chains. I had not noticed DMs there but then I was not looking. I also like the way Feltham always seems to get mentioned as a chavvy dump - not just by you. Teddington is a good way from Feltham all the same.

The 316 is like the Berlin Wall mate LOL .

post #8723 of 18763
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I used to work with a Window Dresser(during the 60s)who came from Feltham.Always reckoned it was a good place then.How time changes Places.

Used to be a nasty Ted / Rockabilly gang from Feltham in the 70s ( Feltham Katz ) who were always trying to bully the Soul Boy's.

post #8724 of 18763

Talking of cheap threads. The Ben sherman sale is very good at the moment. Hardly a great brand but some cheap functional pieces that may be worth a look. Harringtons are down from £70 to £35. In all colours for example.

 

http://www.bensherman.com/classic-harrington-jacket-9.html

post #8725 of 18763
I got the chance to see the FP Harrington close up on Sunday - bizarrely I'd posted about how expensive I said it was - when a local walked in (the boozer), wearing his new one... decent quality.

That said, his missus had bought it for him from John Lewis (Handforth) - half-price at under £90. Which I still feel is too dear but he looked good in it.

Around 16 years ago I bought a number of 'RL' shirts - Jekylls - six, IIRC - and my brother is still wearing three of them. (Usually, I wear the neck - heavy beard growth - out of shirts, T-shirts, sweat shirts etc but not these buggers.

The Dubai 'snides' are as good - if not better - than some recently bought from the Polo shop.
Edited by Ed Vaughan - 8/21/12 at 8:25am
post #8726 of 18763
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Originally Posted by MikeDT View Post

Hey thanks for the heads-up kicksinstyle. That's very good news to me, Levi is making gear in the US. smile.gif I presume they're using US labour and not migrant Mexicans?

nope, thing about a "made in USA" tag is that it will be more often than not some kind of migrant labor (in Levis case, as their MiUSA line is now made in Los Angeles, 99.99999% it is mexican labour)

there are a lot of asian sweatshops right here in SoCal, that employ underage children to make clothes, a guy I work with now used to be one of these kids, and there have been quite a few busts of small sweatshops operating out of apartment buildings making garments. I think gone are the days where the romantic notion of some "artisan" is sitting there sewing your shirt. Whether it is Made in USA or made in China, there probably is not much difference other than some obscure pedigree in having a tag that says Made in USA.

A friend of mine who designs for a fairly well known brand, i remember him saying that of all the factories he's toured in USA, China, Mexico, etc...the American ones have the lowest standard of quality and environment. EDIT: that is to say, of DENIM factories visited, the worst ones have been found in the states, but that doesnt mean ALL are bad, just dispels the notion that Made in USA is better than Made anywhere else in 3rd world
Edited by Get Smart - 8/21/12 at 1:26pm
post #8727 of 18763
I hope http://www.bennevisclothing.com/Harrington-Jacket-Classic-Cotton-Harrington-Jacket doesn't use slave labour or Solovair or Allen Edmonds..... satisfied.gif

For knitwear i go for the stuff made in Hawick. If you don't want a Lyle&Scott eagle on your chest you can get excellent quality for a decent price:
http://www.hawickknitwear.com/
or
http://www.whiteofhawick.net/
for example.

Or alternatively Alan Paine:
http://www.ap-shoponline.com/
Haven't bought anything from them for a long time but had a nice cricket jumper in the past.

Sometimes it can be not that easy to get a good fit though. That is one of the advantages of Fred Perry, they have a slimmer cut for a more athletic build while classic knitwear is sometimes in a looser fit.

As far as brand whoring is concerned i'm long past that stage where i cared for visible brand labels. I'm primarily looking for quality and fit. Me personally i would nowadays never wear two FP items together (might be hard though if you have a FP Harrington satisfied.gif) and am much more impressed with a person dressing smart without using too many items of the "usual" brands.
Edited by Sipreano - 8/21/12 at 1:34pm
post #8728 of 18763
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Originally Posted by Sipreano View Post

I hope http://www.bennevisclothing.com/Harrington-Jacket-Classic-Cotton-Harrington-Jacket doesn't use slave labour or Solovair or Allen Edmonds..... satisfied.gif

with the huge english immigrant population, would be hard not to believe migrant labour isnt used at some venerable institutions to save a quid or two.

It's known that many italian factories are now run by chinese, and they have brought in chinese immigrants to work in them, some producing very well known high end products. so while it's made in Italy, it might as well be made in China. instead of Luigi making your shoes/bags, it's some guy named Shang-Chi
post #8729 of 18763
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post

with the huge english immigrant population, would be hard not to believe migrant labour isnt used at some venerable institutions to save a quid or two.
It's known that many italian factories are now run by chinese, and they have brought in chinese immigrants to work in them, some producing very well known high end products. so while it's made in Italy, it might as well be made in China. instead of Luigi making your shoes/bags, it's some guy named Shang-Chi

Some shoes labeled "made in Italy" may have in fact been only partially assembled there while about 70% of the work was done in China. To make it technically "Made in Italy" the finishing work was done in Italy like etching a brand logo on the soles or something like that. I suspect the same of certain "Made in the USA" labeled athletic shoes like New Balance.
When companies like FP, and DMs move production out of England, does it necessarily have to mean a decline in quality or could products made in China be just as good in terms of quality?
post #8730 of 18763
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Originally Posted by Darksideoftheforce View Post

Some shoes labeled "made in Italy" may have in fact been only partially assembled there while about 70% of the work was done in China. To make it technically "Made in Italy" the finishing work was done in Italy like etching a brand logo on the soles or something like that. I suspect the same of certain "Made in the USA" labeled athletic shoes like New Balance.
When companies like FP, and DMs move production out of England, does it necessarily have to mean a decline in quality or could products made in China be just as good in terms of quality?

I bought a FP a couple of years ago-from a Legit Business.Washed it once and the Colour is fading-so I would say No,the Quality is not as good.When I bought FP years ago they would last years,this one will not.
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