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post #6976 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


Do you mean by the 'edge' the line of stitching of the hem as seen from the right side of the fabric?



Hi Little Queenie Thank you for the welcome.  What i am describing regarding the short sleeve Ben sherman shirt is shown in Buttons post with the yellow and blue shirt.  Its that hem with the button and V that i recall

 

post #6977 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


Do you mean by the 'edge' the line of stitching of the hem as seen from the right side of the fabric?



Hi and thanks for the welcome.  What i was trying to describe has been picked up in Butttons photo of the yellow and blue check shirt detailing the short sleeve hem together with button and V as i recall

 

post #6978 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?


 

Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it


 

 

post #6979 of 18544
Welcome Aces and Eights. So many of your experiences seem very similar to my own, living close to London but on the norf side of the River.
Edited by Brideshead - 4/5/12 at 10:50am
post #6980 of 18544

Welcome Aces & Eights! 

 

On the subject of Ben Sherman short-sleeves, if they didn't have the 'V' with the button in the 60s, when did they start adding it? 

Robert Elms (not the most reliable of sources, I know) mentions it in his book when his mum alters his torn long-sleeve shirt. He even says they had to track down the exact button if I remember correctly. 

 

post #6981 of 18544
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

Good Photo,bunty.Like the Guy in the lighter Suit-very smart.

And the footwear - Solatios?
post #6982 of 18544

Welcome to the Club Aces & Eights, look forward to your input.

 

 

post #6983 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


Do you mean by the 'edge' the line of stitching of the hem as seen from the right side of the fabric?


 

Hi and thank you for the welcome.  On seeing Buttons later post regarding Ben Sherman short sleeves he has now put doubt into my memories.  I do like this attention to detail.  I am now thinking his right and the V cut was on much later shirts.  It really is a case that you can picture wearing some of your old favourite items over 40 years ago and your mind is now playing around with you !!


 

 

post #6984 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?


 

Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it


 

 

post #6985 of 18544
A & E a couple of points I wanted to pick up.

Girls and hair - a close friend of my girlfriend of mid 1969 had cropped dark hair but also wore a very convincing long dark wig on certain nights.

Smells - I will never forget the smell of denim back then and of the cloth at the tailors!

The smell of stale beer as you walked past an old pub mingled with tobacco and vomit - lovely. All gone now in our sterile world.
post #6986 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?



 

Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it

 

post #6987 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?


Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it

post #6988 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?

Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it



 

 

post #6989 of 18544
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post

Hi All

 

I hope I have pressed the correct button  to get onto this thread

 

I have been following your forum for the last month and have read all the pages which have rekindled fond memories.  I was particularly surprised when I saw the newspaper clippings from the Daily Mirror and associated items that I remember as if they had occurred only yesterday. (pages 60, 216 and 321 or thereabouts)

 

 And I was born in 1954 so in 1969 I was 15 and the Skinhead era of that time was the most exciting of times for a teenager to be involved in.  To this day at 58 years old I believe they were the best times of my life, even though I have a lovely wife of 30 odd years and grown up children I can still fondly remember detailed events of 40 plus years ago and yet sometimes struggle to remember what I had had for dinner the previous day

 

I am not accustomed to writing on forums but seeing in the last week that your core contributors were thinking of calling it a day unless ‘new old blood’ gave some contribution to the site it would close.  I am aware that it is particularly associated with fashion of that period but I can also contribute other information and memories.

 

I am from a town on the North West Kent and South East London borders and the skinhead cult developed here in 1968.  We were not known as skinheads then; we were just gangs of youths eager to obtain these clothes and adopt this style.  Boots were high leg cherry red Commandos with a defined toecap.  Dr Martins arrived on the scene that year at a price of approx 6 pounds 10 shillings (£6.50) compared to the commandos at £2.50.  The DMs were 6 or 8 hole ?? - just above the ankle and only in brown and we used ‘dubbing’ on them regularly to keep them in good order.  I worked in a greengrocers every night after school and all day Saturdays with a cash income of £7 a week which was double of what I earned as an apprentice when I left school in 1969 so I was in a position to purchase the must have clothes.  Levis were 49 shillings and sixpence (approx £2.50) and only shrink to fit.  Jungle greens were only used American issue that we purchased from ‘Sams’ a genuine ex-army surplus shop in Woolwich SE London

 

Margate in Kent was our regular haunt at bank holidays with great memories of the ‘Galleon’ and ‘Bali Hai’ pubs with the reggae and Tamla records being blasted out and the fights with rival skinhead gangs in ‘Dreamland’.  On arrival at Margate gangs were usually searched on the seafront by the police and knives and filed metal combs were tossed over the railings hopefully retrieved later to avoid any early arrests.

 

Unfortunately photographs of that era are rare due to the fact that cameras were expensive, bulky and you would not be seen dead carry one around with your mates.  I need to contact family and old friends to see what is in their old albums but I cannot recall many times of posing for pictures

 

Besides having Loake Royals I also had a pair of black brogues with a very rounded and highish toecap that I believe were either American of Irish that I have not seen advertised anywhere since.  Does anyone have any recollections or know of where they can be purchased now 

 

Last year I found a private shoe shop in London that sold Loake Royals for approx £100 a pair compared to Loake own web site at approx £140 a pair.  I purchase a pair in oxblood and black and was delighted to be able to where the black ones to my middle sons wedding even though my wife could not understand why i had not purchased a pair of more modern shoes.  These shoes were quality and i felt good in them.  You never lose your senses of the quality of clothing we enjoyed then ie the smells and the feel of the items

 

We bought our ¾ sheepskins from Harry Fentons at £35 each (today’s value £700??) and never taking it off for fear of someone lifting it.  We had our suits and trousers made by local tailors and the detail to specifications were very specific with all the extras ie expanding zippers on the waistlines, flaps to rear pocket and front money pocket ot the trousers and the second ticket pocket to the R/H jacket pocket.  Suits were in various shade of tonic mohair.  I remember the single trouser were £7 a pair to have made – my weeks wages but I cannot remember the suit prices.  Ben Sherman’s were small check and stripe in heavy oxford weave.  The summer Ben Sherman’s were thinner cotton with short sleeves that had the V cut in the ends of the sleeves with a button above the V cut

 

In the past year I have found that people have place old reggae records from our era on to Youtube and I have had pleasure in downloading sounds that I have not heard for over forty years and I thought would be lost from me forever as the majority of our records were not known by the general public.

 

During the original skinhead period not all skinheads had 1/8 th inch crops (number 1s) as most of the girls did not like the shaven headed convict look and the majority of us had ½ inch (number 3) or a ¼ inch on a Monday so that it had grown a bit by Saturday when you took your girl out.  A gutter parting was also popular.   Not all the girls had cropped hair either.  Long hair was very popular and no hair colorants were used then.  I think it was possibly the girls whose hair would not grow long and straight that opted for the cropped cut that was very similar to the Julie Driscoll look

 

I seemed to have rambled on here a bit in no structured order but I hope this is the sort of contribution contents you need for this site and I look forward to hearing your comments and in particular any areas you would like to be recalled from the old memory bank

 

Many thanks for the visit down memory lane


Great introduction/post

 

post #6990 of 18544
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post


Fully agree - love talking about the detail (although I'm a whipper snapper in comparison - wasn't there (or born) in the early days but have been a skinhead 30 years).
You're right about the fit of the Ben Sheman - full box pleat and 2 darts to give a tapered fit. They only did 2 sleeve types at the time (another one was used slightly later but didn't last). The striped short sleeves had a plain hem with a half inch fold and button sewn through. The plain oxfords (and later polycottons, ginghams, checks etc) had a 'cuff' - as you remembered with a line of stitching and a small flap about an inch from the end, then again with a half inch fold and button sewn through. Brutus did he vee feature you described but with a button either side. The vee with button at the top was used by various other cheaper manufacturers but never by Ben Sherman (I've probably had 60-70 over the years and have seen many more on others. An original Benny with a vee has been modified afterwards).
I'm not at home so scratching round for pictures but the blue and yellow one below is the vee with one button - is that the sort of thing you meant?
263
Ben Sherman striped sleeve was like this (not alwasy hooped stripes - they did them vertical and horizontal):
186
The plains and checks had a cuff like this
263
Hope that helps.
The older lads that were putting the discos on - were they skinheads, or just into the same music?



 

Well now you have got me thinking.  Were my original shirts just a button with ½ inch hem that were halfway up the bicep and tight.  Therefore the Ben Shermans that I had bought later say 20 years ago would have been looser, longer sleeve and with the V cut.

 

The disco lads were not skinheads but older lads that had seen an opening to earn some money.  They did very well out of it

 

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