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Well earlier you said you was a skinhead in 1974. This wouldn't have been the new breed of skinheads. So over to you Roy.biggrin.gif

In 74 I was still only 20 and still very active around NW and West London, Kilburn and Notting Hill are next door to each other, We would drink down Portobello Road Notting Hill and Westborne Grove, I never saw Skinheads around there at that time. Think about it fashion moves on, and Skinheads in 74 just was not fashionable. biggrin.gif Unless you was in a time warp, biggrin.gif


 
Roy, I'm sure the lives of gangs of 13 and 14 year olds in Notting Hill Gate and Kensington in 1974 were beyond your interest.  You can't honestly be saying you knew of such things as a drinking,smoking,fighting,shagging 20 year old biggrin.gif

 

I was 13 at the time, and we had a gang, and we listened to reggae among other things. Admittedly we weren't looking like 1969 originals, but we were there.

Now on to the geography, I grew up in the Notting Hill Gate end of Notting Hill, more exactly the southern end of Ladbroke Road, I went to school in Gloucester Road in South Kensington and secondary school off the Kings Road in Chelsea.

Kilburn and North Kensington were not part of our world. There was always an invisible border for us in Notting Hill Gate and it was the church on top of the hill on Ladbroke Grove, we generally stayed south of that in Notting Hill Gate, Holland Park, Shepherds Bush, (QPR) Queensway  and Kensington Gardens. For us North Kensington and Kilburn could just as well have been 50 miles away insrtead of the 2 miles that it was.

 

As for bieng fashionable? What has fashion got to do with it?  I still saw Mods and Teddy boys wandering around in the early 70s.  Sub-cultures aren't governed as much by fashion as by a concept, a code and an ideal.

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Originally Posted by London Rudeboy View Post



 

Roy, I'm sure the lives of gangs of 13 and 14 year olds in Notting Hill Gate and Kensington in 1974 were beyond your interest.  You can't honestly be saying you knew of such things as a drinking,smoking,fighting,shagging 20 year old biggrin.gif

I was 13 at the time, and we had a gang, and we listened to reggae among other things. Admittedly we weren't looking like 1969 originals, but we were there.
Now on to the geography, I grew up in the Notting Hill Gate end of Notting Hill, more exactly the southern end of Ladbroke Road, I went to school in Gloucester Road in South Kensington and secondary school off the Kings Road in Chelsea.
Kilburn and North Kensington were not part of our world. There was always an invisible border for us in Notting Hill Gate and it was the church on top of the hill on Ladbroke Grove, we generally stayed south of that in Notting Hill Gate, Holland Park, Shepherds Bush, (QPR) Queensway  and Kensington Gardens. For us North Kensington and Kilburn could just as well have been 50 miles away insrtead of the 2 miles that it was.

As for bieng fashionable? What has fashion got to do with it?  I still saw Mods and Teddy boys wandering around in the early 70s.  Sub-cultures aren't governed as much by fashion as by a concept, a code and an ideal.

You are right their Rudeboy i would not have known what your age group was doing in 74 and your gang must have been unique dressing as skinheads, especially as the originals was a near distance memory.
I would have thought a 13/14 would want to dress in the fashion of the day, but thinking about it the cloths we wore in 74 was so awful.. why would a 13/14 want to wear them anyway, biggrin.gif

Fair play to You and your Gang,smile.gif
Edited by Lasttye - 3/25/12 at 5:21am
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London Rudeboy, in 74 what made you guys want to dress as skinheads? i mean, did you come across old newspaper articles and decide "we want to be like that"? i find it fascinating that guys in your time might have been the first skinheads to want to be skinheads as a way of being rebellious and going against the norm of its day, purposely choosing to be outsiders. or is that putting too much backstory into what you guys were doing at the time?
post #6754 of 18598
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

The tale of the Maverick jeans.
Still at school, my mum thought she'd buy me another pair of jeans - bless her.
It's 1969, I have one pair of Levi's, one pair of Wranglers and a pair of plain white, jean-type pants. (Obviously, I have gear for school - but that's not relevant - honest!!!)
One day, summer holidays, my mum goes shopping and comes back with a pair of... 'Mavericks'.
I'd never heard of them but, the denim was familiar - and they were almost identical to my Wranglers. But they weren't 'real', were they?
For a start, they were 10-bob (50p) cheaper, there was no flat studs on the back pockets, instead of a big 'W' on the pockets, there was an 'M' and no little patch saying 'Wrangler'.
Worse, knowing how I hated new jeans... she washed them three times before showing them to me. (Couldn't take 'em back, could I?)
The piss-take was embarrassing. I put them on - she was my mum, FFS! She really, really tried... but...
First comments: 'Did you get 'em cheap 'cos they put the pockets on upside down?'
'Cheap 'cos they have the back pocket studs missing?'
And, finally: '... did your mum buy them for you? (There were more, I just can't remember.) shog[1].gif
Once on, they never saw the light of day for months then, I took the back pockets off... and they really looked like Wranglers - they were made on the same machines, in the same factory but... I still remember the big, red face my mother's good turn got me.
FTR: I reckon the tosser shop assistant knew the score and had to get rid of a stock of these jeans... and my mum fell into it - bastard. (g)nod[1].gif
Edit: I wore suits and check shirts - perfectly acceptable up our way. nod[1].gif

That's a great story Ed - I remember pestering my mum to get me a pair of Levis (yes she paid for them shog[1].gif) as up to then all I had been wearing were Jet Heavies (they had a 'leather' patch on the back same as Levis but with an outline of a jet on them like the Vulcan bomber).

Anyway I persuaded her that they would be an 'investment' and moree cost effective as at £3.00 (a lot of money then) they would last 5 times longer than the usual denims on offer. So you can imagine my horror when after the first machine wash they frayed around the fly - not just a bit, the bloody things fell apart down the entire length of the fly. Course my mum insisted on taking them back (think it was Stone-Dri I bought them from) with me in tow and then she had a stand up row in the shop - think my credibility as a 15 year old 'tough' went way out of the window that day - I did manage to get a replacement pair mind.

Also just remembered that I didn't get a granddad vest of sorts but me and my mates got plain crew necked football shirts (long sleeve of course) in blues, reds or greens - nothing to do with our football allegiances - they were quite popular here in Bristol, perhaps more so than the grandard vests.
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

In 74 I was still only 20 and still very active around NW and West London, Kilburn and Notting Hill are next door to each other, We would drink down Portobello Road Notting Hill and Westborne Grove, I never saw Skinheads around there at that time. Think about it fashion moves on, and Skinheads in 74 just was not fashionable. biggrin.gif Unless you was in a time warp, biggrin.gif

I agree Roy. There were skinheads in 1974, but definatly not in london. More in the midlands, up north and scotland. But definatly not London. Someone either telling porkies or severely got their dates wrong.
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In the early 70s,I was going over to West London quite a bit(Notting Hill Carnival,and seeing People I knew in Shepherds Bush).All I can remember is seeing young kids with shoulder length hair,rolled up up Jeans and Boots(I was amused in seeing them dressed as such-`74/75).I can remember somrone posting on here about wearing Parkas to the Boleyn Ground(early 70s),something else I must have missed.smile.gif
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London Rudeboy, in 74 what made you guys want to dress as skinheads? i mean, did you come across old newspaper articles and decide "we want to be like that"? i find it fascinating that guys in your time might have been the first skinheads to want to be skinheads as a way of being rebellious and going against the norm of its day, purposely choosing to be outsiders. or is that putting too much backstory into what you guys were doing at the time?


Yes, far too much retrospective supposition. No, it was simpler than that it was because of  the older boys we knew from school and our neighbourhood who we saw dressed like that and it was just a natural progression downwards from them to the younger members of our loosely collected gang, as it is with all generations I'd guess.

 

When I was 14 in 1975, for example,  I started working after school in a deli in Notting Hill Gate with young men, aged 17 upwards, from our area, so of course stuff got passed on from them as well. We weren't being rebellious or outsiders just carrying on with what we saw and liked. And we weren't alone, we often had run-ins with a mixed skinhead/smoothy gang, similarly aged, from Queensway, who were led by a vicious Maltese kid, and a gang from West Kensington. Also gangs from the infamous experimental school of Holland Park, which if I remember correctly was the first non-uniformed secondary school in London, and they unlike the resto f us could wear their clobber to school. Holland Park and points south were very much part of our area. There was a kind of a sectarian alliance of sorts between the big Catholic schools of Kensington & Chelsea (St. Thomas More, Cardinal Manning, Cardinal Vaughan, Brompton Oratory) which meant we rarely fought each other. But after a school day, we at St. Thomas More's RC secondary school in Chelsea would often end up in fights on Sloane Square with the C of E boys from St. Michael's. Sectarian violence was alive and kicking in West London in the 70s.

That said, we never had rucks with people due to colour/race, only by gang, geography and school.

I left school in summer 78.

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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

In the early 70s,I was going over to West London quite a bit(Notting Hill Carnival,and seeing People I knew in Shepherds Bush).All I can remember is seeing young kids with shoulder length hair,rolled up up Jeans and Boots(I was amused in seeing them dressed as such-`74/75).I can remember somrone posting on here about wearing Parkas to the Boleyn Ground(early 70s),something else I must have missed.smile.gif



The only parkas I remember seeing in the early seventies on kids my age were those heavy vinyl things our mums bought for us, with the fur collars and orange linings, and on the occassional Mod that's we'd see in Kensington Gardens at the weekend. There was one called Gary, who went out with a girl called Gina who always dressed like Alvin Stardust she even wore one leather glove, long before MJ thought of it. 

 

There were plenty of hippies in Notting Hill certainly, the home of Richard Branson and loads of prog musicians and of course there were loads of communes up and down Ladbroke Grove, Portobello and KPR....and who could forget the Republic of Frestonia in Notting Dale. Happy days.      

 

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Well I'm being called a liar here left,right and centre. So fuck it! I'm not going to keep on explaining to people who seem to think they had every corner of London covered!  Harry you must have been fucking busy keeping tabs on every gang of young teenagers in West London!   

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I don’t think anyone is calling anyone else a liar.

I think the problem here is not whether skinheads existed in London after 1971 but rather whether their existence is/was of any significance.

My personal view, living at the time close to London and visiting it frequently is that they probably did exist – how can you prove a negative and why bother? But in relation to this thread, the information seems of little interest.

The traditional skinhead may have been seen as ‘anti-fashion’ in a sense, but in those early days of the movement it was all about getting the details just right – the obsessive attention to detail in dress, in deportment, in the places you went and the music you listened to. Equally important were the things you would not do – wear the ‘wrong’ jeans, own a scooter, be caught listening to the wrong music. We were setting a new trend – initially one with no name (just as we wanted it). By the time it was given a name by the popular press, late in 1969 it was beginning to change any way.

Over the years, many young kids will have adopted elements of a former youth sub-culture, received some hand-me-downs and called themselves by that name, but so what?
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I think with the original skinheads although the style was anti fashion, it was fashionable to wear such cloths, Brogues Harrington jackets etc, With later 78/80s Skinheads it was fashionable to become a Skinhead, as a alternative to the Punk scene?, although some was connected with Punks ? Out of this, came people that made skinheads a way of life, Some of these people are now members of this site,
These people have been Skinheads non stop for Thirty odd years, and was there from the beginning of the second wave of Skinheads that started around 78 ??, So they would question that Skinheads was around London of all places in 74, It sort of rewrites Skinhead History.confused.gif

To be honest as a original skinhead, For me Skinheads only happened once, everything after is a copy, be it in 74 or 78 It don't really matter, smile.gif

As someone said it is irrelevant to this thread which is about Traditional Skinheads,
Edited by Lasttye - 3/26/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

To be honest as a original skinhead, For me Skinheads only happened once, everything after is a copy, be it in 74 or 78 It don't really matter, smile.gif
As someone said it is irrelevant to this thread which is about Traditional Skinheads,

That statement does seem to sum up one of the main differences in attitude between those of us that were there in the beginning and those that came later.
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Originally Posted by London Rudeboy View Post

Admittedly we weren't looking like 1969 originals, but we were there.

Would you say these mid 70's skins looked a bit like this?
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Originally Posted by PxC View Post

Would you say these mid 70's skins looked a bit like this?
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Now that is a mixture!!smile.gif

Check Shirts in `74?And BD?Cannot say I saw that get-up.
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Now that is a mixture!!smile.gif
Check Shirts in `74?And BD?Cannot say I saw that get-up.

Could be 73/74, Looking at the posters of Bowie in the background, smile.gif I would say they are Northerners, maybe Scotland? Shirt looks like a Brutus BD, The trousers are British Army Cross over belt OGs, must say a strange mix.

Their is a Bay City Roller look about the Lad also.biggrin.gif
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