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post #6316 of 18598
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Yes,I remember the interview now-moved around Forest Gate,Stratford myself.Did any of your Mates go to the "Uppercut"in Forest Gate?
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Originally Posted by ibaboxing777 View Post

it was at a dance hall   in ilford it was a one off if the bird wanted you to take them out they would ask ya straight out as well  and if you had a scooter like i did a 1967 vespa ss 180 they would ask ya for a ride as well i hope this answers ya

At the Ilford Palais I believe you said-Girls were very forward there smile.gif

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your right mate i remember the night we were told that about the guy with the inch check sherman i was a brand new skin  about thirteen and a half . We were of our manor and had been invited over to a youth club banged out with nearly all ex mods turned skin,s i still remember all the long sideburns we didnt have a bit of fluff on our chins, and there were about 20 of em . the geezer was there livley lad and like you said probaly there best fighting man . we were told by them  that he was wearing a leaders shirt, at that time most of us couldnt afford a ben sherman let alone a proper ginham check it never came over on the tv cos they cut loads of it out, it was just an old story that stuck in my mind . great days though where were you from back then , all the best A

It was a new Story to me ,regarding the Checks.But as you say,it was either you were good with your Fists or smooth with the talk.
I will ask you one thing though-why did you go into the "Cage"?I ask this because you are a known "Face" and you know a lot of People around East London.People have Respect for you around that Manor.
post #6317 of 18598
While I remember, anyone driving up from That London kind of area to the York meet up?
Just thought it might be worth car sharing. I was gonna drive anyway (from either Reading kind of way, or maybe from Essex), so anyone wanting to tag along is more than welcome.
You getting the train, Roy? (Senior Citizen rail card, no doubt. he hee).
Buttons
post #6318 of 18598
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HA HA HA .....how are you ?
Sorry for my mistake! so i saw later that you replyed to skinhead69.
I think that is better if i buy a pair of glasses, than a pair of  vintage work boots......



I'm fine, Bernie and your English is still better than my Italian.............
post #6319 of 18598
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

While I remember, anyone driving up from That London kind of area to the York meet up?
Just thought it might be worth car sharing. I was gonna drive anyway (from either Reading kind of way, or maybe from Essex), so anyone wanting to tag along is more than welcome.
You getting the train, Roy? (Senior Citizen rail card, no doubt. he hee).
Buttons

I am getting a Lift from bunty,so I am looking forward to a great Chat!Roll on York.smile.gif
post #6320 of 18598
On shoes - I don't remember anyone I knew being aware of longwings on offer other than at J Simons shops (1969/70) but that's not to say they were not. I have a pair of Florsheim Imperial Kenmoor in burgundy from J Simons which claim to be calf . As others have said I gather they are made in India now (mine say 'imported').


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I concur with the view of Loakes. I have a pair of their plain 'Royal' style shoe in black and while they are solid and have a reasonable shape, the finish on the leather is too hard and shiny.

On tattoos - I do recall some Southend skinheads having a small tattooed rose on one earlobe. None of my mates indulged.
post #6321 of 18598
I got the Royal Brogues,Smooths and Gibsons all from Timpsons.In that order as well.

Alfred Sargent do Smooths(in Black),I wore them to the last York.Lastye can vouch for that.
post #6322 of 18598
I always thought Royals was only available from the Ivy/Squire shop in London, Skinheads would travel from all over the Country to get them, I just don't know? Loake did a copy of Royals, which was available in any shoe shop. Also Loake back then did not or could not call their Brogues Royals.
Also Royals from the Ivy/Sqiure shop was made from Cordovan leather??, got to be honest as a 15 year old in 69 I would not know that, even though they was on me feet.

If you look at the pic of Colin's Royals Plain Caps they look like Cordovan and having had a close inspection I think they are.
post #6323 of 18598
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I find a fair amount of Florsheims kicking around here and there, and know what to look for as far as which are made in the USA I think.  Saw a pair at the goodwill for $5 but not my size, though I might snap them up if they are still there today, v-cleat and 5 nails, burgundy, excellent shape, size 12 E.... (Real cordo possibly??) Was hoping someone might be able to recommend other reasonably priced, quality brands as far as vintage brogues go.

I bought them essentially TTS, as they are sanforized, have a reputation for stretching out a good bit and not shrinking much, and I plan on not washing them for as long as possible.  Should I wait to sew the turn ups until I do and just roll them for now to avoid uneven shrinkage or anything?


if you're going to buy used shoes, the Florsheim Imperial longwing is probably the best. If you can find one with the V-cleat on the heel those tend to be sought after so consider it a great find if it fits and is in decent shape. Nothing wrong with modern Florsheim or Loakes, both are in same class of quality, if you take care of em they'll look fine but they're def not top shelf.

you can tell if they're real cordovan by how the creases look. if you look at Roy's pics of his AE brogues, the creases look like "rolls" and there is no fine creasing.

jeans, even if sanforized better to wash them once, even sanforized denim can shrink at the inseam but the waist etc (girths) wont shrink
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Originally Posted by ibaboxing777 View Post

AND IM SURE they were on the wind up lol. when i learn how to put photos on i got some old skin pics to post

welcoome to the forum, looking forward to seeing your pics!
post #6324 of 18598
Regarding Royals as bought from the Ivy shop, Royals was the Make/Brand, Timpsons may of made them, but they also sold their own Longwing, But Royals was Royals..so to speak, Many Shoe makers make shoes for others, A good example is Ralph Lauren that do a lovely Brogue, The Marlow Wingtip a cool $850, But is made by Crockett & Jones, of England.

The Ralph Lauren Marlow Brogue as made by Crockett & Jones, Not a Longwing but still a lovely shoe.

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Edited by Lasttye - 3/12/12 at 7:36am
post #6325 of 18598
^^ those are made from cordovan leather iirc, hence the high price it commands. But I know of people who've gotten them much cheaper at sale time with online coupon for around $450 which is a good price if you have the funds
post #6326 of 18598
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post

^^ those are made from cordovan leather iirc, hence the high price it commands. But I know of people who've gotten them much cheaper at sale time with online coupon for around $450 which is a good price if you have the funds

Not sure if the are made of Cordovan Jason I tried a pair on in the Ralph Lauren shop Bond St here in London, a couple of years ago, Thats when i learned that Crocket & Jones make the Marlow, Unless they have since make them in Cordovan leather, Crockett & Jones do a few Cordovan Shoes, I have a pair The Onslow Cordovan .
post #6327 of 18598
The Ralph Lauren Marlow/Darlton in brown is cordovan. Always has been.
There's a black version which is calf and a brown pebble grain calf version.
post #6328 of 18598
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

I always thought Royals was only available from the Ivy/Squire shop in London, Skinheads would travel from all over the Country to get them, I just don't know? Loake did a copy of Royals, which was available in any shoe shop. Also Loake back then did not or could not call their Brogues Royals.
Also Royals from the Ivy/Sqiure shop was made from Cordovan leather??, got to be honest as a 15 year old in 69 I would not know that, even though they was on me feet.
If you look at the pic of Colin's Royals Plain Caps they look like Cordovan and having had a close inspection I think they are.

They were Cordovan-but then that is another Description that was not about in the `60s(it is American).The Royals I had were the same Article-in fact the Guy that sold me the Alfred Sargents(Mustard Shoe Company),said He had been looking for years,which had the same finish as the Royals.

I have looked up the "Soul Stylists" and I quote - "The first Brand of Shoes the Ivy Shop sold were Timpsons Brogues,usually known as Royals.They sold other versions of the Shoe known as Plain Caps and Wingtips.

In another Entry - They were made in Northampton to American Specifications,shipped over there and then shipped back again.This entry was by Terry Wheeler.So the ex-Partner of John Simons was right then.

Here is one for you Roy.The best Royals were made of Horse Leather(Cordovan).I got a pair on the Kilburn High Road.I got a maroon Pair which were the most expensive.The smell!it was like sniffing a drug.This Entry was by James Ferguson.

So we all wore Timpsons Royals-but paid more because they came from the Ivy Shop!!
post #6329 of 18598
Thats my point Colin, Royals had the Royals brand name in the shoe, Not Timpsons, your Plain Caps prove that, I bet most including me did not know that Timpsons made them.

Regarding Jim Ferguson buying Royals on the Kilburn High Road, back in the 60s, That did not happen the reason i say that as we knew every cloths shop on the High Road, As all was put through by Skinheads at one time, biggrin.gif We would have noticed Royals in a shop thats for sure.
Mind you their was a cobblers called The American Shoe repair, which did a great job putting a triple Sole on your Royals,smile.gif
Edited by Lasttye - 3/12/12 at 10:54am
post #6330 of 18598
John Simons had built up a Reputation with the Ivy Shop.He had been aware for some time that American"Ivy League"Style sold-he was a "Modern Jazz"Fan.He had watched Cecil Gee,Austin Reeds and others sell American Clothing.He started off selling Clothes that were made in the East End.I actually stopped going to the Ivy Shop because of the Price Hike.I started looking around,and that is when I noticed Timpsons etc.As Kingstonian has said,Timpsons were nothing like they are today- I can actually remember the first time I saw the Royals,in their Window.I can even remember how they were displayed in the front corner of their window.There was no going back!!!

Interesting about Ferguson though,I wonder where he got that Story from.smile.gif
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