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Well, yes, but that doesn't include Jagger. He was always a wannabe, what they would call a 'wigga' these days.
Farlowe's pop releases were never as good as his stage material, by the way - he was a cracking R&B singer.
(How far off-topic are we going to go?)
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I'm not sure how off-topic the music that formed the background to the original Skinhead look is (do we have a chapter on this planned for the book?) Just to clarify: I am not a huge Stones fan (my dad is, hence my name!) Musically for me it's soul all the way which I prefer to be 'authentic' i.e. American and, preferably, black. Although there are some good 'blue-eyed' soul records, for me white English kids copying black American music are just, forgive the pun, a pale imitation. Remember the story of when the Stones went to the Wheel? I do understand how Jagger, Farlowe and others were viewed at the time, this is just my opinion.
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Why is it I can never find any pics of the monkey jacket that I remember so vividly? it came in either of two colours (ice blue or navy blue - the navy was the more popular), the collar and cuffs were a slightly darker navy, plain with no piping, and it was unlined. It was worn in the NW in '67 and '68, and lots of blokes in SE London had them when I arrived there, along with other monkey jackets, until the Harrington came along.

Perhaps Ed might have some similar memories of the plain collar and cuffs surfers?
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Perhaps Ed might have some similar memories of the plain collar and cuffs surfers?

"Fraid not, Suzie, my (only) one had red/white'black cuffs and collar.

I do remember it was really well made - unlike some of the gear that came along after it.

I never did the 'Brutus' thing ... or Lee Cooper and, does anyone remember 'Campari' clobber? (Nothing to do with Leonard Rossiter and/or Joan Collins.) biggrin.gif

And, while I'm here... were 'Lee' and Lee Ryder' jeans the same thing?
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

both :embar:


You nidn't hive bithered cirrocting it, I thight you were doing a viry gad ifficer crobtry. biggrin.gif


 

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Originally Posted by OHT View Post


I see on your site it has this pic:
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Can you tell us anything about this pic like where/when/how it came about or anything about that day?


I've seen this one around the web a few times ...

The bloke on the left is my mate John & it was taken in Germany in the late 70's when he was in the army, the guy next to him is also English the rest are German skins.

 

post #6051 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

"Fraid not, Suzie, my (only) one had red/white'black cuffs and collar.
I do remember it was really well made - unlike some of the gear that came along after it.
I never did the 'Brutus' thing ... or Lee Cooper and, does anyone remember 'Campari' clobber? (Nothing to do with Leonard Rossiter and/or Joan Collins.) biggrin.gif
And, while I'm here... were 'Lee' and Lee Ryder' jeans the same thing?

The bad spelling biggrin.gif thing must be contageous - of course I meant 'Lee Rider'. shog[1].gif
post #6052 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

"Fraid not, Suzie, my (only) one had red/white'black cuffs and collar.
I do remember it was really well made - unlike some of the gear that came along after it.
I never did the 'Brutus' thing ... or Lee Cooper and, does anyone remember 'Campari' clobber? (Nothing to do with Leonard Rossiter and/or Joan Collins.) biggrin.gif
And, while I'm here... were 'Lee' and Lee Ryder' jeans the same thing?

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Similar to the one Bob is wearing here?

I have seen Campari shirts - think I have one somewhere.........early '70's?

Yes, I believe 'Rider' was a name attached to Lee denim (cowboy connotations).
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

The bad spelling biggrin.gif thing must be contageous - of course I meant 'Lee Rider'. shog[1].gif

And 'contagious'? That's ok: like Colin you talk about good stuff so spelling doesn't matter!! It's just typos anyway!
post #6054 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

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Similar to the one Bob is wearing here?
I have seen Campari shirts - think I have one somewhere.........early '70's?
Yes, I believe 'Rider' was a name attached to Lee denim (cowboy connotations).

Jacket very much like that, Suzie - thanks.

And a thumbs-up on the Lee front, too. (Loved the way they faded, BTW.)
post #6055 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Jacket very much like that, Suzie - thanks.
And a thumbs-up on the Lee front, too. (Loved the way they faded, BTW.)

Yes, I was reading somewhere that Lee used a 'left-hand twill' denim, whereas Levi used a 'right-hand twill' - the left-hand twill is meant to give the denim a softer feel after washing, perhaps that explains the fading?
post #6056 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

I'm not sure how off-topic the music that formed the background to the original Skinhead look is (do we have a chapter on this planned for the book?) Just to clarify: I am not a huge Stones fan (my dad is, hence my name!) Musically for me it's soul all the way which I prefer to be 'authentic' i.e. American and, preferably, black. Although there are some good 'blue-eyed' soul records, for me white English kids copying black American music are just, forgive the pun, a pale imitation. Remember the story of when the Stones went to the Wheel? I do understand how Jagger, Farlowe and others were viewed at the time, this is just my opinion.

To me,the Stones showed me a form of Music that influenced me-right to the Present Day.Their "imitation"of Rythmn and Blues got me wondering what the real deal was like.I started going to Clubs that had started playing R&B then progressed to Soul.Do not forget there were very few Outlets where this form of Music could be bought.This is where the American Servicemen came to the rescue.(and the Import Shop that was right next to the Base in West London).As Soul was being spun,so was Ska etc.Hence arriving at listening to Rocksteady and Reggae in mainly Jamaican Clubs.
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

And 'contagious'? That's ok: like Colin you talk about good stuff so spelling doesn't matter!! It's just typos anyway!

Thank you Little Queenie,you are so kind.smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Jacket very much like that, Suzie - thanks.
And a thumbs-up on the Lee front, too. (Loved the way they faded, BTW.)

Iremember both these and the one that M-o-M is on about(I had one myself).
post #6057 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

Yes, I was reading somewhere that Lee used a 'left-hand twill' denim, whereas Levi used a 'right-hand twill' - the left-hand twill is meant to give the denim a softer feel after washing, perhaps that explains the fading?

good reply Queenie! teacha.gificon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Just watched the second part of the Melvyn Bragg series, Ed. Can't say I was much impressed by his disassociation of Skinhead from Mod, though I suppose he was a bit long in the tooth at the time to understand what was going on. Nice to hear a hard 'a' in 'class' on the BBC, though!
post #6059 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

Just watched the second part of the Melvyn Bragg series, Ed. Can't say I was much impressed by his disassociation of Skinhead from Mod, though I suppose he was a bit long in the tooth at the time to understand what was going on. Nice to hear a hard 'a' in 'class' on the BBC, though![/quote]

Aye, well he may have been elevated to the peerage, but his roots were/are fairly 'umble. (g)

The Beeb does try... it's just so OxBridge, it's beset by generations for whom the Corporation was almost a 'finishing school'.

Of course, now it - or a substantial part of it - is in Salford, that will all change... won't it? stirpot.gif
post #6060 of 18911
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

Just watched the second part of the Melvyn Bragg series, Ed. Can't say I was much impressed by his disassociation of Skinhead from Mod, though I suppose he was a bit long in the tooth at the time to understand what was going on. Nice to hear a hard 'a' in 'class' on the BBC, though![/quote]
Aye, well he may have been elevated to the peerage, but his roots were/are fairly 'umble. (g)
The Beeb does try... it's just so OxBridge, it's beset by generations for whom the Corporation was almost a 'finishing school'.
Of course, now it - or a substantial part of it - is in Salford, that will all change... won't it? stirpot.gif

It drives me mad the way they say 'Saulford' for Salford on Radio 4!
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