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post #4936 of 18770
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post

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Guy on the right

Take a bow, Ron Howard.

Not unlike that, although I would guess that RH's character is supposed to be a small-town kid and that shirt would have come from a small-town outfitter.
post #4937 of 18770
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

... the American imports from the Ivy shop. The fit was baggier the half sleeves would come down to just above the elbow baggy and no silly buttons and V, The pleat at the back was ironed in and it was considered nath to sew the pleat in.

Yeah, we've talked about these smile.gif

I remember when one of my mates and I were the only two guys in our neighbourhood to get a particular shirt from the Squire Shop - mine yellow check on blue, his blue check on yellow. You're right about the limited run - they were like gold dust.

I never had a Brutus or a Jaytex, but I do remember having had Bens in stripes and checks. Several of them lasted for years afterwards - I was still wearing a black/white large gingham shirt into the 1980s (in time for the first 'revival'), and 'er indoors wore an old striped Ben of mine as a painting smock into the 90s.

This pic of me throttling my old hippie mate Mark shows me in a green gingham Ben Sherman.

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post #4938 of 18770
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post

Just so you know, in this thread we avoid all those "chapters" like SHARP or WP,etc. We're only interested in the Original/Traditional Skinhead way.

Well said mate.
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post #4940 of 18770
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post

When you Originals say you wore your BD shirts a little looser/baggier, how loose/baggier do you mean? Was it like this:
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Guy on the right

The shirt that Ron Howard is wearing could have been bought out of the Ivy/Squire shop, Its the style of shirt that many of the Original smart skinheads would aspire too, and would spend a fortune getting them,
I still wear Ivy style shirts a classic.
Edited by Lasttye - 12/29/11 at 5:32am
post #4941 of 18770
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

That green check shirt is a Brutus.
You can tell by the cut of the collar, front placket width, sleeve, check, top pocket etc etc (and the fact that it is a Brutus).
Jaytex never did a vee in the sleeve. If Soundsnpressue's mate has some, they've been butchered, like so many in the popular modern day quest, that I never agreed with, where everything must be made to look as much like a Brutus as possible. Criminal.
When Ben Sherman did their short sleeved candy stripes, they had a half inch fold on a plain short sleeve with a button sewn through the fold.
When BS did the short sleeved plain oxford cloth button downs in '69, they did a cuffed short sleeve, but with the same half inch fold and single button. This style remained throughout the short sleeved check, dark (and bright) plain polycottons and was briefly seen on early penny collars.
Jaytex copied the early Ben Sherman sleeve with a plain hemmed short sleeve, fold and button on all their check button downs of late '69 and throughout '70.
Brutus did a vee with a button at each side which was copied by many many cheaper makes in 1970 and beyond.
Naytex were a rip-off of Jaytex, cashing in on Jaytex's popularity in 1970, but they weren't an exact copy - generally similar but almost every detail changed (proving it was from a different factory). As an asside, Naytex did sta press and Cardigans as well, to sell to the young skinhead market.
The 'fancy' short sleeve designs were a common feature in the British skinhead shirts, as was full box pleats and slim-fit darts. Very different to the larger fitting yank button downs.
Also, as another asside, that pic of the Jaytex factory if from about late '71, when beagle collars were the standard. They used the same font on the shirt labels, but definitely post-button-down.



Great piece there Buttons.

Very useful information. I bet your are right on the Jaytex being modified I'll ask. I just assumed the V cut mas there originally.

Glad you remember the 'Naytex', thanks for the background info. I did see some Naytex sta-press on e-bay once, quite basic/standard.

 

P.s. Probably a stupid question, but is a 'benny' a Ben sherman? or is it another brand or style of shirt.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDsUgtgHTpo&list=LLreafD8iZQAvxinwkW99aWQ&index=16&feature=plpp_video

I've never heard of the brands @ 1:27 & 1:36. Do you original skinheads remember or heard of them?

Just thought I also say that the girl @ 0:30 is stunningly beautiful biggrin.gif
Edited by OHT - 12/29/11 at 12:00pm
post #4943 of 18770
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

Take a bow, Ron Howard.
Not unlike that, although I would guess that RH's character is supposed to be a small-town kid and that shirt would have come from a small-town outfitter.
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

The shirt that Ron Howard is wearing could have been bought out of the Ivy/Squire shop, Its the style of shirt that many of the Original smart skinheads would aspire too, and would spend a fortune getting them,
I still wear Ivy style shirts a classic.

I have 2 BD shirts that are loose/baggy like the one Ron H is wearing and I only wore them just a few times because they look too baggy. It looks untidy. I think only the white long sleeve BD shirts or maybe all plain shirts can pull it off(as long as it's not baggier than how Ron H's shirt is imo).
post #4944 of 18770
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post

I have 2 BD shirts that are loose/baggy like the one Ron H is wearing and I only wore them just a few times because they look too baggy. It looks untidy. I think only the white long sleeve BD shirts or maybe all plain shirts can pull it off(as long as it's not baggier than how Ron H's shirt is imo).

Yep do agree, I have so many BDs that one would consider to baggy, Ralph Lauren, Gant, Faconnable all do a custom fit which is a little slimmer, These current shirts also have a smaller collar which suits me,
In the early 80s the Ivy shop sold a shirt called BD Baggies, which was baggy but that was the style back then, still have a couple somewhere, the collar shape was dead on.
post #4945 of 18770
Thought i would post this. not sure if many on here have seen it before.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/news/and-so-farewell-the-ivy-shop-1568875.html
post #4946 of 18770
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Originally Posted by amathew View Post


When and how did SHARP emerge out of the skinhead scene?
And furthermore, was Antifa originally created by skinheads, though perhaps in the 70s or 80s.

Traditional skinhead may not have been ideological, but I can't help but give any lad who takes 
on nazi-scum a pat on the back. 

Mathew this thread is not about politics mate.
But in answer to your question SHARP is American so not really relevant anyway.
post #4947 of 18770
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post

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Butlins Skegness August '69
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Arenal July '71 (Jaytex shirt, loud, cheap, poor quality summer wear..the rot had set in biggrin.gif)
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Summer '72 (The shirt is a Ben Sherman! The hair is Pat Jennings')
A few local things I've discovered...
Does anybody remember Jungle greens coming back in the early 70s?

Van Heusen shirts being a big thing?
Levi jackets were worn locally, not so much in '69 and not by the smartest lads. Some of the local boys would never even wear jeans, let alone a denim jacket. It was ok to wear one with a shirt and Sta-prest, but not as a denim two piece that you could have 'got away with' previously.



love the pics Bunty, were you in Skeg in '69 I was working the donkeys on the clock tower pitch.easter.whit and august bank holidyas the skins would come down the beach,a few run ins with the greasers.happy days.

 

post #4948 of 18770
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Interesting Buttons, The Ben Shermans i had was all long sleeve Oxford weave, Never saw or had a Striped or Check BS, The ivy/Squire shop did some lovely checks American imports.
Regarding the sleeve button on a BS i never noticed that, maybe the lads cut the sleeves off the early BSs .smile.gif

Roy - I don't believe this, just found out that's exactly what they did biggrin.gif so I suppose this must of been a pre '69 trick? Locally, the lads got their BS's converted into short sleeves by taking them to 'Paul Jeffries' (like Burtons) . The sleeves didn't fall quite right apparently but it was a bit of oneupmanship. Not sure if this was Mod days though.

Have to bow down to your terrific knowledge of shirts lads, had Brutus and Jaytex, so confused over which was which ,what was the cheaper brand that fell apart? Brutus?

Was Rael Brook a Mod shirt brand? And the 'unironable' Harry Fenton's?
Edited by bunty - 12/29/11 at 3:33pm
post #4949 of 18770
Hello Sssssnake, no, I wasn't at Skeggy in '69, my brother and his wife (in photos) were - I was only 5 unfortunately. angry.gif
post #4950 of 18770
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Originally Posted by bunty View Post

Roy - I don't believe this, just found out that's exactly what they did biggrin.gif so I suppose this must of been a pre '69 trick? Locally, the lads got their BS's converted into short sleeves by taking them to 'Paul Jeffries' (like Burtons) . The sleeves didn't fall quite right apparently but it was a bit of oneupmanship. Not sure if this was Mod days though.
Have to bow down to your terrific knowledge of shirts lads, had Brutus and Jaytex, so confused over which was which ,what was the cheaper brand that fell apart? Brutus?
Was Rael Brook a Mod shirt brand? And the 'unironable' Harry Fenton's?

That is the great thing about this site...people pulling together ..getting to the bottom of things, I had a drink before Christmas with a load of old ex Kilburn Skinheads, its was funny what people remembered, but one thing all remembered was Royals... The price.... and getting them from the Ivy shop Richmond. It was such a big occasion. The price and knowing as a Skinhead you arrived,biggrin.gif

Just to add i,am sure we wore Harry Fenton shirts before Ben Shermans ?
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