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post #466 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post
otherwise it becomes just a bunch of old timers doing what can look like a re-enactment society.

Which is why I try not to muscle in on any current "scene". I don't mind being a "resource"

M-old-tiMer
post #467 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post
That's easy. None at all. I never saw a single bloke with a tattoo in '69.



Basically what happened is that football was popular with working class kids and the skinhead movement came to be mainly a working class phenomenon. So a whole lot of kids on the terraces adopted the look.

I recall that when I lived in London (South East London, to be precise) our hangout was The Savoy Rooms (aka The Witchdoctor) in Catford. The DJ there, Steve Maxted (by the way - his reggae record collection is currently for sale!) used to play mainly Motown and Reggae, but somewhere in the evening he would put on the old surfing hit "Let's Go" by the Routers; at the point where the band shouts "Let's go!" all the guys in the audience would shout "Millwall!" (Millwall FC being one of the local clubs).

Actually this is bringing all kinds of memories back to me. Another track that Steve would play was Shirley Ellis's hit from 1965 "The Clapping Song". There's a couple of places in the chorus where Shirley sings the words "... a rubber dolly...". At those points Steve would kill the volume and the whole room would sing "...a rubber johnny..." British readers of this forum will recognise that term - it's slang for a condom!

[Also in the chorus there's a line "... I kissed a soldier". Take it from me we did not sing "kissed" ]

Kewl, that's good to know. We call those "Oldies" now M-o-M lol( I love Oldies tho).
Lol @ the not singing the kiss part, hahah. I wouldn't either(definitely not my thing).
This is yet another thing I would like to know. Did you guys have Working Class "Pride" or were you simply just working class(meaning not proud or ashamed)?
post #468 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Get Smart View Post
but if skinhead is to carry on, you need the popularity/accessibility of Oi music to bring new kids into the scene, otherwise it becomes just a bunch of old timers doing what can look like a re-enactment society. That said, once you get into Oi, it's hoped that the kids will also check out the roots and get into soul/reggae/ska.

I get what you mean GS. It's just that The skinhead "revival" is too punk oriented and there's not really any purity in those roots(i.e tight/bleacher jeans,politics being brought into the scene, skinhead "labels/branches", dressing down 'n' cheap 25/8 lol,etc). I just feel that the fashion was a Big part of it but now ppl only go for it because of the aggressive mentality and that's what they feel makes a skinhead. I rather stray away from that and get & stay with the roots,even if it means wearing white rolled up long sleeve shirts from now on ,lol.

I think I'm gonna start a thread on this topic \t
post #469 of 18552
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
... or were you simply just working class(meaning not proud or ashamed)?

That about sums it up, plus there were a few middle-class kids too.
post #470 of 18552
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
... even if it means wearing white rolled up long sleeve shirts from now on, lol.

By the way, when it came to Ben Shermans, we would fold our cuffs over twice, three times at the most, never roll them up above our elbows.

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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
I think I'm gonna start a thread on this topic \t

I'm sure you'll post a link to it. I do hope it won't simply be a place for repeating the views we have read on this thread, though - interesting though they are.

Good luck with it.
post #471 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post
By the way, when it came to Ben Shermans, we would fold our cuffs over twice, three times at the most, never roll them up above our elbows.



I'm sure you'll post a link to it. I do hope it won't simply be a place for repeating the views we have read on this thread, though - interesting though they are.

Good luck with it.

I never have cuffed them up more than 3. I figured if I wanted a shirt with sleeves above my elbows I would just get a short sleeve. I really want to rock a white long sleeve with a nice cardigan sweater I've been keeping my eye on. This reminds me, specifically what kind of coats/sweaters/jackets did skinheads were? I don't think you guys wore bomber/MA1 flight jackets like they do now or did you?

As soon as I construct my topic, I'll post a link. I'll make sure I don't repeat anything. It's pretty much gonna be about the 2nd wave and it's new direction.
post #472 of 18552
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
This reminds me, specifically what kind of coats/sweaters/jackets did skinheads were? I don't think you guys wore bomber/MA1 flight jackets like they do now or did you?

I can only speak for S E London

1968:
sweaters could be round neck or V-neck. V-necks could be sleeved or sleeveless. Most common colours navy or burgundy, but other colours such as grey and green were worn.

Surfer jackets were still being worn (very plain bomber jackets, usually navy blue)

1969:
By '69 the surfer jacket had given way to the Harrington. MA1 jackets actually did make a brief appearance in late '69, as a limited stock appeared in military surplus stores.

Sweaters were almost exclusively V-neck, navy or burgundy by then (V-necks show off the collars of Ben Shermans better than round necks). Navy cardigans were often worn with Levi Sta-prest strides.

Sheepskin coats and Crombie-style overcoats.

I hope that answers your question.
post #473 of 18552
I randomly got the notion that I should pick up a fair isle sweater one of these days, and research led me back here, so I spent the morning catching up. Great thread, as always, and it's particularly cool to hear MoM's anecdotes. Encouraged me to polish up my Chinese cherry reds and take my first WAYW pic in well over a year (surprise, still wearing the same shit everyday).



And some extra boot porn:


post #474 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Black Cherry View Post
it's particularly cool to hear MoM's anecdotes.

I'm going way off topic here, BC, but is that a genuine Fender Strat?
post #475 of 18552
Indeed! American, 1997, nothing fancy, but she treats me right. Tortoise shell guard is a recent upgrade.
post #476 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post
I can only speak for S E London

1968:
sweaters could be round neck or V-neck. V-necks could be sleeved or sleeveless. Most common colours navy or burgundy, but other colours such as grey and green were worn.

Surfer jackets were still being worn (very plain bomber jackets, usually navy blue)

1969:
By '69 the surfer jacket had given way to the Harrington. MA1 jackets actually did make a brief appearance in late '69, as a limited stock appeared in military surplus stores.

Sweaters were almost exclusively V-neck, navy or burgundy by then (V-necks show off the collars of Ben Shermans better than round necks). Navy cardigans were often worn with Levi Sta-prest strides.

Sheepskin coats and Crombie-style overcoats.

I hope that answers your question.

Amazing . I didn't know the MA1 jackets made their way into the skinhead scene in 69', even if it was for a short period. Very interesting.
I got another one for you: The braces. Some ppl say that it came from the working class(that's what I'm going with) but others will say that it came from the Rude Boy fashion. Or was it both,depending on the area?
post #477 of 18552
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Originally Posted by Black Cherry View Post
Indeed! American, 1997, nothing fancy, but she treats me right. Tortoise shell guard is a recent upgrade.

At the risk of this becoming the Strat-as-a-fashion-item thread, I have an '83 American. Or it could be! It is neither a two-pot model nor is it a Dan Smith (I established that by looking inside the "works"). My guess it is a hybrid - an '83 neck on a different body.


I also have a '95 reissue '52 Tele...

Okay guys, back on topic quick!
post #478 of 18552
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Originally Posted by OHT View Post
I got another one for you: The braces. Some ppl say that it came from the working class(that's what I'm going with) but others will say that it came from the Rude Boy fashion. Or was it both,depending on the area?

Neither is quite right. Late mods wore them first, for the simple reason that they made your strides hang properly. They were not necessarily for show - just try it with your mohair suit trousers, Sta-Prest, or even Levi jeans and see how well they hang with a pair of braces. They only showed if it was hot and you took off your sweater or jacket. It really is as simple as that, nothing specifically to do with class or Rude Boys.
post #479 of 18552
I thought I would show you the fashion items which I still maintain from the late sixties. None of this is vintage, everything is currently or recently available, and you have to remember that I'm now an old guy so the stuff I wear isn't at the extreme end of the look.


MA1 jacket - great for Scottish autumn.


Light blue, short-sleeved Ben Sherman.


White, long-sleeved Ben Sherman.


Fred Perry. (Sorry everything looks in need of a good ironing in these photos).


Burgundy lambswool V-neck, bought a couple of years ago from M&S.


Harrington Jacket. The jeans in this picture are by Lee. I remember that in '67, before I came to London, the mods in the North of England had a strict hierarchy of what jeans were "cool". Levis were the brand of choice, of course, but second came Wrangler, then Lee (Lee Rider), then Lee Cooper... anything else was just pants! These days Levis don't look right on me, so I have one pair of Wranglers and two pairs of Lee. I don't wear turn-ups - in middle age you need a "clean" look.


A good pair of brogues - these came from Clarks on the high street.
post #480 of 18552
I was in jail with a traditional skinhead, he was good shit. He was definitely punk by loyalty, he had "oi!" tattooed on the inside of his wrist, which is how I got to find out about his skinhead background. He had tons of stories of hitch-hiking and sleeping in parks or squatting on houses. Sounded like a blast to me.
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