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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

Picked up a pair of Tesco indigo selvedge jeans off ebay for £11 (new). They're straight-leg, and plain. For some reason they've also got the selvedge-y bit on the top of the ticket-pocket and the top of the back pockets as well as the leg-seam. Not a fan of the pocket 'selvedge', so I'll be getting busy with the Singer sorting that straight out.

Eleven quid and from Tesco, so I ain't expecting too much.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F-F-Mens-Dark-Wash-Selvedge-Trim-Straight-Leg-Jeans-/321900688224?var=&hash=item4af2c6b360:m:mLsXyBczVI1H_K0XDlEC6jA


My cheapo £11 F&F jeans turned up. The selvedge wasn't sewn on to existing fabric to give a 'selvedge effect' either

The fabric is stiff as a bleedin' board though.

They're a lot darker than the photos (used a flash)

post #24242 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

My cheapo £11 F&F jeans turned up. The selvedge wasn't sewn on to existing fabric to give a 'selvedge effect' either

The fabric is stiff as a bleedin' board though.

They're a lot darker than the photos (used a flash)

Well, that's a nice surprise, and they don't look half bad either. The cheapest pair of selvedge strides I ever got was a pair of Primark (!) jeans. They made a big hooplah about some collaboration with a Japanese designer, and by the time I showed up to take a look they were already on sale. I got a pair for 8 quid, and in hindsight I should have got all 10 they had left given their surprisingly decent quality.

 

I was convinced yours were fake selvedge due to the price and description given in another ebay listing  ("made to look like selvedge").

post #24243 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

I am sure many of the growing commuter towns around London would have had a strong Mod contingent in the 1960s.  Chelmsford is less than 30 minutes on the train from central London and seemed to be something of a Mod and later Skinhead stronghold.  I think tastes in music were partly locally influenced but there would have been a general consistency across all areas.

 

At Ilford Palais on a Saturday night in 1969, for example, you would hear a bit of reggae mixed with Tamla, soul / R&B and pop.  Some songs that especially stand out from my visits there are: I'll pick a Rose for my Rose, To Love Somebody (Nina Simone version), You Don't Know Like I Know, Wichita Lineman...quite a mixed bag!

Don't forget that the Ilford Palais also had a resident band that played cover versions. When they came on the dance floor would empty as we headed for the bar. The song Blueberry Hill comes to mind. Never liked the music the band played. Our mob went there on a Sunday night. Back in 1966 we used to go there on a Saturday afternoon with other 13/14 year olds. Good music without the band.

post #24244 of 24866
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Originally Posted by bobekoma View Post


Yeah there are mostly bald punks

I don't really want to get involved in this whole debate, but as an ex-punk I feel the need to defend punks to some degree.

 

First off, there are different ways to look like a punk. You can look like Johnny Rotten, or you can look like a member of The Exploited - I'd say the difference is as great as between original skins and 'boneheads'. Secondly, 'bald punks' strikes me as a lazy label. What do army fatigues, black MA-1 jackets, combat boots, and other paramilitary attire have to do with punk? Not much in my book.

 

Thirdly, I'd invite you to come and attend a ska or skinhead reggae event in London. You'll find many of those guys don't look any better than the Oi skins. If not clownishly overdressed in parody 'Spirit of 69' gear complete with pork pie hat, they'll be sporting ill-fitting jeans, sta-not-quite-prest chinos so long they slouch all over their boots, and garish shirts. In fact, there are a couple of smarter, more traditionally dressed people on the Oi! scene.

 

I love it all: reggae, soul, punk, Oi, hardcore, and more besides. And while I strongly lean towards the original style, I won't deny that punk had a significant impact on me and probably still shapes my understanding of 'skinhead' to a degree (as indeed do my reasons for moving away from punk).

 

Finally, I'd say that beyond the fashion and music, a certain attitude doesn't go amiss. I don't go round looking for trouble, but sticking up for your friends is paramount. Also, if I bump into skins I've never met, I don't walk past them with my nose up in the air, no matter how poorly they're dressed. I'll say hi and see what they're about, after which I can still decide they're too boneheadish for my liking. As DJ knows, this gets me into tricky situations sometimes, but hey... if i ever catch myself walking past people like I'm better than them, I'll hang up my boots for good.

 

Maybe that's my inner punk speaking. :) 


Edited by Bela Kun - 9/13/16 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post


I think 99.9% of Skinheads in 69 were working class .. Middle class kids tended to be hippies . 99.9% of English teenagers with boots and crops also liked the 'Hard ' image it portrayed .

Lots of kids I knew in 68/69 you would call 'lower middle class' (maybe) from the suburbs - the kind of middle-class kids that still had a regional/London accent rather than RP.
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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post

I don't really want to get involved in this whole debate, but as an ex-punk I feel the need to defend punks to some degree.

First off, there are different ways to look like a punk. You can look like Johnny Rotten, and you can look like a member of The Exploited - I'd say the difference is as massive as that between original skins and 'boneheads'. Secondly, 'bald punks' strikes me as a lazy label. What do army fatigues, black MA-1 jackets, combat boots, and other paramilitary attire have to do with punk? Not much in my book.

Thirdly, I'd invite you to come and attend a ska or skinhead reggae event in London. You'll find these guys don't look any better than the Oi skins. If not clownishly overdressed in a parody of 'spritit of 69' gear complete with pork pie hat, they'll be sporting ill-fitting jeans, sta-not-quite-prest that are so long they slouch all over their boots, and garish shirts. In fact, there are a couple of smarter, more traditionally dressed people on the Oi! scene.

I love it all: reggae, soul, punk, Oi, hardcore, and more besides. And while I strongly lean towards the original style, I won't deny that punk had a significant impact on me and probably still shapes my understanding of 'skinhead' to a degree (as indeed do my reasons for moving away from punk).

Finally, I'd say that beyond just the fashion and music, a certain attitude doesn't go amiss. I don't go round looking for trouble, but sticking up for your friends is paramount. Also, if I bump into skins I don't know, I won't walk past them with my nose up in the air no matter how poorly they're dressed. I'll say hi and see what they're about, after which I can still decide they're too boneheadish for my liking. As DJ knows, this approach gets me into tricky situations sometimes, but hey... if i ever catch myself walking past people like I'm better than them, I'll hang up my boots for good.


Maybe that's my inner punk speaking. smile.gif  



Hear, hear. I was never a punk, always a skinhead from the age of fifteen-- but I concur with what you're saying.
Whether people like it or not, skinhead is a "continuum", and not a several-month fleeting fashion from the end of the '60s. Some enjoy the original look, some like the revival look, some take from both.
Nought wrong with going for the original style, and yeah a lot of the 'revival' gear you see some people sporting looks pretty bunk, but so be it. I've met many 'revival' skins with all the gear and no idea about style(who frankly look like circus clowns), but know the matrix numbers off every Treasure Isle, Stax, and Chess single by heart.
You must admit, going for a completely authentic '71 look these days can look downright goofy and not 'cool' whatsoever.

Personally, like AYP, I delved into the casual/dresser look in the early 2000s, before you had all these American 'soccer' fans dressing in Clone Island, etc.
anyways, going off subject here, sorry.
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Which Blakeys would you say would be a better option for a pair of brogues, these ones:

 

 

or Blakeys full heel and toe plates.

 

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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post

Which Blakeys would you say would be a better option for a pair of brogues, 

 

I'd say the top ones. Was thinking about equipping my Loakes with Blakeys myself, but someone warned me it would be a bit like ice skating on concrete.

 

Found these offered by some Malaysian guy on a skinhead related FB page. A bit of a Frankenstein thing I suppose, but the closest I'd ever wear to an MA-1. Given the price (around 30 quid for a "FP" jacket), I strongly suspect they're fake, but I think I'm in love. What do you guys reckon?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post
 

 

I'd say the top ones. Was thinking about equipping my Loakes with Blakeys myself, but someone warned me it would be a bit like ice skating on concrete.

 

 

im actually considering the second ones to be honest, i think they would be able to withstand the kind of wear i put footwear through more.

 

As for the jacket, not my style but it looks better then the reproduction bombers available today.

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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post
 

'You don't know like I know' - Sam and Dave - I had forgotten all about that one.  Just downloaded it from youtube - great memories - thanks for the reminder

And, if you haven't already done so, check out Geno Washington's version on youtube .  I was lucky to see the Ram Jam Band live at Chelmsford Corn Exchange about four times:)

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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

And, if you haven't already done so, check out Geno Washington's version on youtube .  I was lucky to see the Ram Jam Band live at Chelmsford Corn Exchange about four times:)


I have just watched a live version from the Beat Club on youtube - Oh yes that is good - cheers

post #24252 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post

im actually considering the second ones to be honest, i think they would be able to withstand the kind of wear i put footwear through more.


I wouldn't fit any of those segs to my shoes as has been said , it could be akin to "ice-skating on concrete" . Don't get me wrong there was a time when we all had them on our brogues , it was even like a competition to see who could have the most on there shoes. .

However, times have changed and more importantly , so have the kind of surfaces we now walk on i.e there are now a lot of tyles around that if you wore the kind of set up you mention you would find them lethal . It is bad enough sometimes with new leather soles never mind all the segs. .

Perhaps , a steel heel fitted by a cobbler will give you the longer wear but you would still need to take care on the surfaces I mentioned. .smile.gif
post #24253 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post

Yeah it was uncommon, but it still happened, just not often.

And the trouble finding you part is true, i seem to find trouble without even doing anything, mainly from ''chavs'' because it is a different look, and yes it being an ''hard'' image does not help.

Haha, same old story. For people from a council estate background violence is (was?) a given whether you liked it or not but, like you and flyfronted say, dress skinhead and it really does come looking for you. The image of a group of skinheads picking on one person is pretty much the opposite of my experience.
Edited by covskin - 9/15/16 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by Sean Carlson View Post

Welcome!

Are you in the States? The only reason why I ask this is because we have a pigeon hole vision of the subculture. We think that it's all about bovver and dressing in the style of 1969, looking hard, Oi! (Originals, please excuse this term here), and reggae.

This is actually very far of the target and especially "trad skin mentality." I was an original California Trojan (trad) skin in California in the 80s part of the Santa Cruz Centurians, Dover Arms Firm, and Boots N Booze Crew (in fact these names were for the same group). Our mentality was working for the weekend, the style, and music. Occasionally we had fights especially with the "Oi!" skins and or boneheads as they had no idea what we were or thought we were mods. We were constantly called "fashion skins."

We didn't care about politics but if you were extreme on either side and or racist there would be issues. We didn't go out and hunt down nazis but we would deal with them if needed. It wasn't our main focus. We all loved the music and style and gravitated to it.


I've been doing a lot of research as of late as I still love the original era but my interest has been focused on 67-69. It's completely different than what us Yanks think. The dress is smarter and dapper, the music is better (soul and reggae, though, I do like early 70s junk glam too). Once you get into 69 you have a change in the attitude and as far as I can find in regards to the media there is nothing in the papers about skinhead, peanut, or trotter violence before late 69.


Talking to a handful of originals here and on FB the general notion of this period was to have fun, style, and music. That's it. An Ivy League style from John Simons' two shops the Squire Shop and the Ivy Shop with a neat combed over cut.


In regards to your future, there's nothing wrong with that. I have a BS in computers and Phil Templar from the band is a doctor. The whole grrr working class image is left over from the early Oi! stuff in the 80s - in my opinion - and that era has no bearing on the original era. Certainly a lot in the north worked in factories, the pits, etc. but I'm sure there are a lot of originals here that have professional careers.


Don't mix up our class system with that in England. It's completely different and and over there it's completely different than how it was in the 60s. In the States it's easy to find someone with a college degree and still work in a factory.


Here's a clipping of us from Skinhead Times.



Too much 80s apologising. On your 'class' point, ex-skinheads might have good careers now but only because they aspired to do better and did so. A lot of working class born aspire upwards and a lot of middle class born head the other way full of 'guilt', bullshit and uselessness.
Edited by covskin - 9/15/16 at 1:10am
post #24255 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Sean Carlson View Post

Got to be careful with football casuals. The majority of these are boneheads from the 80s.

Not true, for the UK at least.
Edited by covskin - 9/15/16 at 1:12am
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