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post #23911 of 24866
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post

I'm on a roll here so will add that the early 80s skinhead look so derided on here ('boneheads', etc) seems to be a search for the form in priority to the matter, while the later 'spirit of 69' look seems to be a search for the matter in priority to the form.

early 80s skinhead look = Modernist

'spirit of 69' skinhead look = Postmodernist

I get the gist but however in time travel parlance it's cart before the horse.
It's ageing Punks I feel most sorry for. Thinning Mohicans, can't pogo for risk of straining calf muscles, swapping snakebite for Chardonay, gobbing into plastic cups....
post #23912 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post

sawyers arms Ed ,don't know whether it was a one off or a regular thing, I was probably a bit unfair on them but to me we cannot be the same as we were years ago , but we can take little bits, and develop the style imho,
Aye, know it well - Deansgate.

No point trying to recapture youth unless... fancy dress or by being deliberately ironic. (IMHO.)nod[1].gif
post #23913 of 24866
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

Whenever I have come across this sight, in person or on the internet, I am always struck by how UNLIKE the original skinheads they look. It is very rarely done well (there are some notable exceptions, individuals who have really put some effort into it). In fact, I always doubt that many of them were actually skinheads back in 1969/70, if so, they wouldn't dress as they do - rather they have copied certain items of clothing, mistakenly believing that it was about the items of clothing rather than the style. As a consequence they have become a caricature of the real thing. I think it was Gsvs5 who first coined the term 'Showaddywaddy Skinheads' and it is most apt. There is one clip on Youtube about a skinhead reunion in Brighton and it made me cringe - there is not one stylish person to be seen - it's not only the beer bellies, it's the whole check shirt and braces image, jeans worn too short, boots too big.

Do I still wear any of this stuff? Yes! To be honest, I wear many items similar to those I wore back in 1969/71. When I go out anywhere do people say,"There's one of those old skinheads" Certainly not. People on this forum might recognise certain aspects and the origins of my style but on 99.9% of the population it is completely lost.
Wot RB said - in fact very much in agreement with all posters on this topic nod[1].gif
post #23914 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post


Good post roytonboy

I commented way back on the thread that back in 69/71 we were smart but subtle.  Also generally everything we wore had a purpose or was for a particular function and not just a fashion fad.  It was a stye that could be worn for many years

Having said that i wouldn't think of dressing now exactly as I did back in the day.

I wear polo shirts, button down shirts, straight leg jeans etc from high street shops.  I do not chase and pay the brand names anymore.  Most of my mates of my age are the same.  Any one from our era would know that we are old skinheads and not old hippies, bikers etc.  but to the general public we are just smartly dressed old guys

i agree with the comment of showwaddywaddy skins as when showwaddywaddy came out in the 70s I cringed as they were nothing like the original Teds from the late 50s

So to summarize I would say that 45 years later the originals dress similr to back in the day but even more subtle
agree completely, subtle sharp smart
post #23915 of 24866
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post


I'm on a roll here so will add that the early 80s skinhead look so derided on here ('boneheads', etc) seems to be a search for the form in priority to the matter, while the later 'spirit of 69' look seems to be a search for the matter in priority to the form.

early 80s skinhead look = Modernist

'spirit of 69' skinhead look = Postmodernist

One of my favourite items I own which isn't technically skinhead is a Dickies 'Eisenhower' jacket. Maybe not the smartest piece of gear ever, nor exactly The Look Goes On material, but it has a classic, tough look & I think it expresses 'skinhead' quite well without being original gear. Very sturdy too.

They aren't available in the UK, so I had to get mine imported from the States.

 

As worn by 'Mike' in the Breaking Bad TV series:

 

Full view:

You decide (& feel free to take the piss out of me).

post #23916 of 24866
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

Whenever I have come across this sight, in person or on the internet, I am always struck by how UNLIKE the original skinheads they look. It is very rarely done well (there are some notable exceptions, individuals who have really put some effort into it). In fact, I always doubt that many of them were actually skinheads back in 1969/70, if so, they wouldn't dress as they do - rather they have copied certain items of clothing, mistakenly believing that it was about the items of clothing rather than the style. As a consequence they have become a caricature of the real thing. I think it was Gsvs5 who first coined the term 'Showaddywaddy Skinheads' and it is most apt. There is one clip on Youtube about a skinhead reunion in Brighton and it made me cringe - there is not one stylish person to be seen - it's not only the beer bellies, it's the whole check shirt and braces image, jeans worn too short, boots too big.

Do I still wear any of this stuff? Yes! To be honest, I wear many items similar to those I wore back in 1969/71. When I go out anywhere do people say,"There's one of those old skinheads" Certainly not. People on this forum might recognise certain aspects and the origins of my style but on 99.9% of the population it is completely lost.

That pretty much sums it up for me . .

What you call the charicature , is perhaps a little too kind , it is more like comedy Skinhead or comedy Mod for that matter as they exist too. Usually it is people trying too hard and ending up a bit obvious despite themselves. .
I do still see the subtle look also . Sometimes my eye might be caught by a highly polished upper and then you see something else of the look. .

Just about anything goes now , with the masses. Walk down any busy thouroughfare of a Saturday and you can see elements of styles from the last 5 decades . .
post #23917 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post
 

One of my favourite items I own which isn't technically skinhead is a Dickies 'Eisenhower' jacket. Maybe not the smartest piece of gear ever, nor exactly The Look Goes On material, but it has a classic, tough look & I think it expresses 'skinhead' quite well without being original gear. Very sturdy too.

They aren't available in the UK, so I had to get mine imported from the States.

 

As worn by 'Mike' in the Breaking Bad TV series:

 

Full view:

You decide (& feel free to take the piss out of me).

 

I wouldn't wear it myself, but would look smart with a button down imo, i can see where you are coming from with it.

post #23918 of 24866
Would look much better without the logo IMO...
post #23919 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post


sawyers arms Ed ,don't know whether it was a one off or a regular thing, I was probably a bit unfair on them but to me we cannot be the same as we were years ago , but we can take little bits, and develop the style imho,

 

Spot on, NH, Use the best/most appropriate bits to develop your own style. Style is always appreciated, even by those not of our culture. Those that are will recognise it.


Edited by roytonboy - 7/30/16 at 2:43am
post #23920 of 24866
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post

Time for some Aristotle! Aristotle contended that every 'thing' has two components, its tangible matter and its intangible form. For 'Skinhead' the matter is the visible clothing and footwear, but the form is the invisible archetype of what a 'Skinhead' is. The matter is accidental to 'Skinhead' but the form - expressed through the matter - is the essence of 'Skinhead'. Think I'm remembering that right! The take home point is that the matter (clothing, footwear) is fairly secondary. You need to ask yourself what the clothing/footwear actually does to express 'Skinhead' and liberate yourself from all the slavish copying of brands, colours, and even details, that might have worked in the past.

 

I think that's pretty much what I was trying to say in my own plebian way.


Edited by roytonboy - 7/30/16 at 3:04am
post #23921 of 24866
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post


I'm on a roll here so will add that the early 80s skinhead look so derided on here ('boneheads', etc) seems to be a search for the form in priority to the matter, while the later 'spirit of 69' look seems to be a search for the matter in priority to the form.

early 80s skinhead look = Modernist

'spirit of 69' skinhead look = Postmodernist

 

Nope, you've lost me now...........

post #23922 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

Would look much better without the logo IMO...

I agree, the logo is a bit of a nuisance. And DJ is right - the jacket looks best with a button-down, esp a black & white gingham one.

post #23923 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post

I agree, the logo is a bit of a nuisance. And DJ is right - the jacket looks best with a button-down, esp a black & white gingham one.

I like the overall look of it. Reminds me of what we called a 'zipper' here in the 80s.
They were 50s or 60s US jackets we usually bought in the 'flea market'.
post #23924 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post
 

I agree, the logo is a bit of a nuisance. And DJ is right - the jacket looks best with a button-down, esp a black & white gingham one.

 

Havent you tried removing it with a butter knife or some other such item? i did the same with the dickies work pants and it was easy, you just gotta take your time.

post #23925 of 24866
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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post

One of my favourite items I own which isn't technically skinhead is a Dickies 'Eisenhower' jacket. Maybe not the smartest piece of gear ever, nor exactly The Look Goes On material, but it has a classic, tough look & I think it expresses 'skinhead' quite well without being original gear. Very sturdy too.


They aren't available in the UK, so I had to get mine imported from the States.

As worn by 'Mike' in the Breaking Bad TV series:



Full view:


You decide (& feel free to take the piss out of me).
these are a really nice style of jacket, I got one for 3euro. It looks like a 50s -60s American work jacket. Made in u.s.a and has zip out lining. It looked deadstock and unused. Nice pointy collars and quite cropped.
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