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Hi botolph just seen your post to Dj ,so to you we are not supposed to post anything on here which has been posted before ,that's really not encouraging new posters/ new blood to come on here and give their views is it ? And sometimes it does seem to become a clique.
post #23897 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post

Hi botolph just seen your post to Dj ,so to you we are not supposed to post anything on here which has been posted before ,that's really not encouraging new posters/ new blood to come on here and give their views is it ? And sometimes it does seem to become a clique.


Not what I meant, good sir. My apologies if I came off as rude or arrogant.
I meant that if you're going to bring up a well-trodden subject, quote an older relevant post and expand on it, squeeze some more juice out of something as opposed to reiterating a question that's already been answered sufficiently.
As far as cliques, I'm certainly not part of any here and new blood and perspectives always seems welcomed and encourage.
For what it's worth, I'm less of a King Cnut in real life than I must appear online here.
post #23898 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Botolph View Post

You're right-- here Stateside at shows/gigs, etc., you see fellows my age(40+) with loudly-checked Brutus shirts tucked into tight jeans with braces and Ronald McDonald boots and it looks ridiculous. After you hit 30(at the latest!)you need to tone it down! You're right in saying it's a young man's game.
But yeah, for yourself and other neophytes, use the search function to find older posts. If you have something to add, just quote the post and say your piece. Not trying to piss in anyone's Cheerios, as I like a little nostalgia and revisiting old posts, we like to move forward here! biggrin.gif

For the middle aged, I find elements of Skin/ Suedehead Winterwear look more dignified than the lightweight stuff.
Eg- On a personal level, Cordings covert coat, Smedley V necks, silk scarfs, brogues or loafers etc.
post #23899 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post


Going over old ground mates. 
The "age appropriate" clothing has been discussed at length on this thread.
As usual, better to avoid generalization IMO.
If you look, for example, at M-o-M pictures, you will see that is look is very close to the one he had in 1969. And he is a smart fellow !

Thank you for the accolade.

Actually, I still wear DMs, but not with my strides rolled up. I wouldn't wear them if the local Style Police (i.e. Miss Mystery) didn't approve.

An old guy in braces looks like an old guy in braces. An old guy in a cardigan looks like an old guy in a cardigan. An old guy in a button-down Oxford looks smart.

In the town where I live, old guys wear jeans, dirty sneakers, and a nondescript zipper jacket or fleece, usually in dark navy. They look like shit warmed over. I hardly ever have to try, given that background 'noise'.
post #23900 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post



Furthermore if you have a beer belly !


Which, thank heaven, I don't have.
post #23901 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Botolph View Post

Not what I meant, good sir. My apologies if I came off as rude or arrogant.
I meant that if you're going to bring up a well-trodden subject, quote an older relevant post and expand on it, squeeze some more juice out of something as opposed to reiterating a question that's already been answered sufficiently.
As far as cliques, I'm certainly not part of any here and new blood and perspectives always seems welcomed and encourage.
For what it's worth, I'm less of a King Cnut in real life than I must appear online here.
hi botolph ,apologies if my post seemed bullish but to some people(myself) control of the computer is limited ,and to quote from an old post would mean me trawling through 1600 pages, to see if a subject has been posted before,anyway good health to everyone,smile.gif
post #23902 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


Which, thank heaven, I don't have.

 

I do sadly, but its more like a chip shop belly, if that makes sense.

 

one last word on the subject. i do think boots are perfectly fine on older people as long as you dont have em rolled up so high, and other items are acceptable, as long as they are not too extreme, and its better than and old bloke wearing sports gear like trackies and hoodies(which my granddad does).

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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post


Ed, I couldn't do that date (Mrs K's BD) but please go for it if the others are up for it. 

This last meet-up was at least as much about Mod to Suedehead guys as The Look Goes On, so I should be more than happy to step aside if you wanted to 'organise' things.  Basically, I just PM those that have been before / think might be interested and put a post here and on The Look Goes On.

The Metropolitan Bar at Baker Street station was suggested as a possible venue.

Cheers
Nooooooo... I am useless at organising anything. nod[1].gif

I'll leave it to you chaps to do what you'll do in November and I'll try and get a day-trip for a meet-up. smile.gif

You all look like you have a great time and are a well-turned out bunch, BTW. cheers.gif
post #23904 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post

Thanks dj ,you understood what I was saying, I'm a relative newby on this forum so I don't want to ruffle anyone's feathers .i was trying to gauge how far one goes without looking like a tribute band to 1969 .its all very well some people pontificating on style when one has "bottomless" pockets.
What boozer was that, NH?

FTR: I have no intention of joining in but I'd like a look at the chaps (in a totally hetero way, BTW!!!). satisfied.gif
post #23905 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post

Hi I'm going to play devils advocate here (so no offence to anyone) I was in a pub in the city centre and in one of the back rooms there was a party of "old" skinheads and mods having a bit of a reunion, they were dressed in all their gear and to be honest they looked f*****g stupid, they reminded me of the original teddy boys who still dressed the part in the eighties and nineties,the point I'm genuinely asking is how far do we go to look smart and keep the faith at the age we are now?

 

Whenever I have come across this sight, in person or on the internet, I am always struck by how UNLIKE the original skinheads they look. It is very rarely done well (there are some notable exceptions, individuals who have really put some effort into it). In fact, I always doubt that many of them were actually skinheads back in 1969/70, if so, they wouldn't dress as they do - rather they have copied certain items of clothing, mistakenly believing that it was about the items of clothing rather than the style. As a consequence they have become a caricature of the real thing. I think it was Gsvs5 who first coined the term 'Showaddywaddy Skinheads' and it is most apt. There is one clip on Youtube about a skinhead reunion in Brighton and it made me cringe - there is not one stylish person to be seen - it's not only the beer bellies, it's the whole check shirt and braces image, jeans worn too short, boots too big.

 

Do I still wear any of this stuff? Yes! To be honest, I wear many items similar to those I wore back in 1969/71. When I go out anywhere do people say,"There's one of those old skinheads" Certainly not. People on this forum might recognise certain aspects and the origins of my style but on 99.9% of the population it is completely lost.

post #23906 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

What boozer was that, NH?

FTR: I have no intention of joining in but I'd like a look at the chaps (in a totally hetero way, BTW!!!). satisfied.gif
sawyers arms Ed ,don't know whether it was a one off or a regular thing, I was probably a bit unfair on them but to me we cannot be the same as we were years ago , but we can take little bits, and develop the style imho,
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Time for some Aristotle! Aristotle contended that every 'thing' has two components, its tangible matter and its intangible form. For 'Skinhead' the matter is the visible clothing and footwear, but the form is the invisible archetype of what a 'Skinhead' is. The matter is accidental to 'Skinhead' but the form - expressed through the matter - is the essence of 'Skinhead'. Think I'm remembering that right! The take home point is that the matter (clothing, footwear) is fairly secondary. You need to ask yourself what the clothing/footwear actually does to express 'Skinhead' and liberate yourself from all the slavish copying of brands, colours, and even details, that might have worked in the past.
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

Whenever I have come across this sight, in person or on the internet, I am always struck by how UNLIKE the original skinheads they look. It is very rarely done well (there are some notable exceptions, individuals who have really put some effort into it). In fact, I always doubt that many of them were actually skinheads back in 1969/70, if so, they wouldn't dress as they do - rather they have copied certain items of clothing, mistakenly believing that it was about the items of clothing rather than the style. As a consequence they have become a caricature of the real thing. I think it was Gsvs5 who first coined the term 'Showaddywaddy Skinheads' and it is most apt. There is one clip on Youtube about a skinhead reunion in Brighton and it made me cringe - there is not one stylish person to be seen - it's not only the beer bellies, it's the whole check shirt and braces image, jeans worn too short, boots too big.

 

Do I still wear any of this stuff? Yes! To be honest, I wear many items similar to those I wore back in 1969/71. When I go out anywhere do people say,"There's one of those old skinheads" Certainly not. People on this forum might recognise certain aspects and the origins of my style but on 99.9% of the population it is completely lost.

 

This is a great post, sadly when the public think of skinheads they will think of bald heads, tight jeans and 20 eyelet boots, not like it was in 1969/70.

 

Im not saying i am a style god because i am far far away from it. but i (hopefully) dont get the Showaddywaddy  impression from people, i only wear 6 eyelet boots with selvedge 501s,white button down and pullover with either a levis jacket(buttoned up northern style) or green jump the gun harrington, or a donkey jacket with jungle greens. Sheepskins and crombies with sta prest and loafers for the winter too. 

 

I dont really shave my head either, a 5 or 6 guard is perfectly fine imo, although i don't have a college boy cut, that is too expensive to maintain.

post #23909 of 24884
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

Whenever I have come across this sight, in person or on the internet, I am always struck by how UNLIKE the original skinheads they look. It is very rarely done well (there are some notable exceptions, individuals who have really put some effort into it). In fact, I always doubt that many of them were actually skinheads back in 1969/70, if so, they wouldn't dress as they do - rather they have copied certain items of clothing, mistakenly believing that it was about the items of clothing rather than the style. As a consequence they have become a caricature of the real thing. I think it was Gsvs5 who first coined the term 'Showaddywaddy Skinheads' and it is most apt. There is one clip on Youtube about a skinhead reunion in Brighton and it made me cringe - there is not one stylish person to be seen - it's not only the beer bellies, it's the whole check shirt and braces image, jeans worn too short, boots too big.

 

Do I still wear any of this stuff? Yes! To be honest, I wear many items similar to those I wore back in 1969/71. When I go out anywhere do people say,"There's one of those old skinheads" Certainly not. People on this forum might recognise certain aspects and the origins of my style but on 99.9% of the population it is completely lost.


Good post roytonboy

 

I commented way back on the thread that back in 69/71 we were smart but subtle.  Also generally everything we wore had a purpose or was for a particular function and not just a fashion fad.  It was a stye that could be worn for many years

 

Having said that i wouldn't think of dressing now exactly as I did back in the day.

 

I wear polo shirts, button down shirts, straight leg jeans etc from high street shops.  I do not chase and pay the brand names anymore.  Most of my mates of my age are the same.  Any one from our era would know that we are old skinheads and not old hippies, bikers etc.  but to the general public we are just smartly dressed old guys

 

i agree with the comment of showwaddywaddy skins as when showwaddywaddy came out in the 70s I cringed as they were nothing like the original Teds from the late 50s

 

So to summarize I would say that 45 years later the originals dress similr to back in the day but even more subtle

post #23910 of 24884
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post

Time for some Aristotle! Aristotle contended that every 'thing' has two components, its tangible matter and its intangible form. For 'Skinhead' the matter is the visible clothing and footwear, but the form is the invisible archetype of what a 'Skinhead' is. The matter is accidental to 'Skinhead' but the form - expressed through the matter - is the essence of 'Skinhead'. Think I'm remembering that right! The take home point is that the matter (clothing, footwear) is fairly secondary. You need to ask yourself what the clothing/footwear actually does to express 'Skinhead' and liberate yourself from all the slavish copying of brands, colours, and even details, that might have worked in the past.

I'm on a roll here so will add that the early 80s skinhead look so derided on here ('boneheads', etc) seems to be a search for the form in priority to the matter, while the later 'spirit of 69' look seems to be a search for the matter in priority to the form.

early 80s skinhead look = Modernist

'spirit of 69' skinhead look = Postmodernist
Edited by covskin - 7/29/16 at 9:25am
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