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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post


And you could venture into woods and coppices in those days, people weren't too afraid of perverts stalking their youngsters and, as a bonus, you would occasionally find a stache of 'art mags' someone had hidden there.


I've been trying not to add comments to the old stuff I've been finding whilst transcribing for the book, but this one rang a bell.

I can remember that although people weren't paranoid about perverts in those days, there were a few about. I met two or three in my teens, and knew to walk away. Most of them were just mouth and liked to talk dirty to you. As for finding the woodland stash, yes, if it hadn't been raining you could often find a few pages from Health & Efficiency, Spick & Span, or Parade.

How come all this seems so innocent now?
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Haha, yes there were perverts around but everyone knew who they were and kids just took the piss out of them, a self-limiting sort of natural justice. And how the heart raced when you saw those flesh-coloured pages flapping in the hedgerow.
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There were a few perverts round our way and everyone knew who they were. Mums and Dads just told us to be careful and even as 10 year olds we roamed in packs and would taunt the perverts who were generally simple. One schoolboy did get caught and he was nicknamed Bummer. A name he carried around for a few years. Not sure if he was traumatised by it but it gave him an identity. 

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Our little gang used to make camps or dens as they are more commonly known, where we spent most of our time reading x rated mags. Every so often we would have wars with other kids, and raid there camps, mostly so we could nick their cache of mags.
We were always told to watch out for strange men- how we were supposed to know whether they were strange or not I don't know
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


I've been trying not to add comments to the old stuff I've been finding whilst transcribing for the book, but this one rang a bell.

I can remember that although people weren't paranoid about perverts in those days, there were a few about. I met two or three in my teens, and knew to walk away. Most of them were just mouth and liked to talk dirty to you. As for finding the woodland stash, yes, if it hadn't been raining you could often find a few pages from Health & Efficiency, Spick & Span, or Parade.

How come all this seems so innocent now?

I think this is rose tinted glasses . A hundred years ago we had child brothels openly trading on the south bank of the thames opposite parliment - its said to service the MPs . In the 60s and 70s you had teenage rent boys working 'the railings ' at piccadilly circus - many as young as 12 / 13 and a open trade of peados buying trade . I can remember seeing these poor wretches as we went clubbing - skinny runaways descending into drug abuse and sexual depravity in full view of the world .

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On A Lighter Note. Yuz will be Happy to know Levi's is Phasing out the 511 Skinny Jeans in Favor of the 513's.Thought that might brighten your Day.

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Any idea what brand the shoes were?

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

I think this is rose tinted glasses . A hundred years ago we had child brothels openly trading on the south bank of the thames opposite parliment - its said to service the MPs . In the 60s and 70s you had teenage rent boys working 'the railings ' at piccadilly circus - many as young as 12 / 13 and a open trade of peados buying trade . I can remember seeing these poor wretches as we went clubbing - skinny runaways descending into drug abuse and sexual depravity in full view of the world .

I hear you and I know what you're saying. You're right, of course. Tint or not, though, what I said was what I remember from small-town/fringe-of-country scene.
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A couple of thoughts occur to me.

Firstly, the public impression of skinheads - boots, braces, football. It was the aspect that the media picked up on, and the most easily-recognised image. I can imagine Joe and Joan Public walking past a queue of teenagers waiting to go into a club and thinking:
"What a smart bunch of youngsters in their suits and polished shoes. Nothing like those ghastly skinheads. Hmm... maybe they could do their ties up properly, though."
Of course they wouldn't realise it was the same kids they would otherwise have tut-tutted about.

Secondly, 'the suedehead look'. 'Suedehead' was a name that wasn't used seriously. If there was a 'look' it was very fleeting, and it was simply this: a bloke with his crop grown out, maybe as much as shoulder-length, wearing the same shoes, strides, and shirt as before, except that he unbuttoned the collar of his Ben Sherman. This lasted as long as it took to get to his next payday, after which he might buy his first non-skinhead shirt, maybe with a penny collar; and then to the next payday when he might get a pair of flares; and then to the next payday when he'd change his shoes. By that payday he'd be arty, and the 'suedehead' phase would be gone. It took a matter of weeks.
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


I hear you and I know what you're saying. You're right, of course. Tint or not, though, what I said was what I remember from small-town/fringe-of-country scene.

Recently there was a amzing BBC series about London streets and how they had changed in the last 100 years . They did the 

Caledonian rd ( kings cross ) and some old boy was talking about when they had a cattle market up there and when the baby calves were brought to market during the night ' The dirty old men would all turn up ' - you can guess the rest . 

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

A couple of thoughts occur to me.

Firstly, the public impression of skinheads - boots, braces, football. It was the aspect that the media picked up on, and the most easily-recognised image. I can imagine Joe and Joan Public walking past a queue of teenagers waiting to go into a club and thinking:
"What a smart bunch of youngsters in their suits and polished shoes. Nothing like those ghastly skinheads. Hmm... maybe they could do their ties up properly, though."
Of course they wouldn't realise it was the same kids they would otherwise have tut-tutted about.
 

That's something I was going to ask about the original skins. I'm aware there were individual skins who were more into dancing than fighting, for example - or vice versa. Can you say the same about whole groups, though? I.e. would it be accurate to distinguish between, say, 'gang skins' who were into territorial warfare and probably a bit younger; older 'mod skins' who were dancing in the clubs, buying the records, and getting the girls; 'football skins'; etc... and that they're only viewed as part of the same, coherent youth cult in retrospect - even though they didn't actually have that much in common (aside from fashion)? 

 

Or was it all the same 'melting pot'?

 

Someone recently put this theory forward to me. He compared it to the punk scene, where you get many different subgroups that don't really have a lot in common. Not sure if this has any merit.


Edited by Bela Kun - 4/22/16 at 6:34am
post #23397 of 24873
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Originally Posted by skinny legs View Post

Our little gang used to make camps or dens as they are more commonly known, where we spent most of our time reading x rated mags. Every so often we would have wars with other kids, and raid there camps, mostly so we could nick their cache of mags.
We were always told to watch out for strange men- how we were supposed to know whether they were strange or not I don't know

I am considerably younger than most here, but it has gone so far that it seems to me though atleast in the states a single man can't even go to a park to relax without of accusations of being a pervert lurking to snatch up children.

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

Recently there was a amzing BBC series about London streets and how they had changed in the last 100 years . They did the 

Caledonian rd ( kings cross ) and some old boy was talking about when they had a cattle market up there and when the baby calves were brought to market during the night ' The dirty old men would all turn up ' - you can guess the rest . 

Saw the Series.Really Well Done and Interesting.

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

A couple of thoughts occur to me.

Firstly, the public impression of skinheads - boots, braces, football. It was the aspect that the media picked up on, and the most easily-recognised image. I can imagine Joe and Joan Public walking past a queue of teenagers waiting to go into a club and thinking:
"What a smart bunch of youngsters in their suits and polished shoes. Nothing like those ghastly skinheads. Hmm... maybe they could do their ties up properly, though."
Of course they wouldn't realise it was the same kids they would otherwise have tut-tutted about.

Secondly, 'the suedehead look'. 'Suedehead' was a name that wasn't used seriously. If there was a 'look' it was very fleeting, and it was simply this: a bloke with his crop grown out, maybe as much as shoulder-length, wearing the same shoes, strides, and shirt as before, except that he unbuttoned the collar of his Ben Sherman. This lasted as long as it took to get to his next payday, after which he might buy his first non-skinhead shirt, maybe with a penny collar; and then to the next payday when he might get a pair of flares; and then to the next payday when he'd change his shoes. By that payday he'd be arty, and the 'suedehead' phase would be gone. It took a matter of weeks.

That. Is exactly my recollection of 1968 to 1972 and how it was for me and my crowd.

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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post
 

I am considerably younger than most here, but it has gone so far that it seems to me though atleast in the states a single man can't even go to a park to relax without of accusations of being a pervert lurking to snatch up children.

Not so long ago I was walking down my road when the local school day was over. I happened to pass a young girl and her mum. I smiled at them and the mothers response was to grab her child and shout out 'come away from the strange man'. This hysteria is whipped up by the media. The real perverts tend to be not strangers but family members and step fathers.

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