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Thats not Bad Disco.I'm talkin Late 70's Bad Disco.When it went above ground.

Yeah but the Disco that the likes of Grandmaster Flowers and Herc used were all the early stuff 73 - 75 . 

Anyways im sure loads are saying 'its not skinhead stuff ' so lets leave the foundations of Hip Hop / Techno for another place . 

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The influence that football matches had on the development and growth of the skinhead look should not be under-estimated. Although it's true the fans didn't travel as much as they would in later years. All the London clubs would have serious numbers of youth from both sides at their London derbies and Manchester United Red Army would show up in very serious numbers at West Ham.

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The influence that football matches had on the development and growth of the skinhead look should not be under-estimated. Although it's true the fans didn't travel as much as they would in later years. All the London clubs would have serious numbers of youth from both sides at their London derbies and Manchester United Red Army would show up in very serious numbers at West Ham.

 

True. The Man. U support was always large. Boosted by the cockney reds, of course . The supporters that impressed me the most were from Newcastle. They travelled in large numbers to London, were very vocal and always looking for a ruck.

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I'm assuming that the same cross pollination, inspiration and envy was taking place elsewhere in the UK (or at least England) especially in the Midlands and the "North" (although if you had asked my old man R.I.P. he would have told you The North started just above Watford Gap.

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True. The Man. U support was always large. Boosted by the cockney reds, of course . The supporters that impressed me the most were from Newcastle. They travelled in large numbers to London, were very vocal and always looking for a ruck.

Remember when they turned up in 74 at White Hart Lane, long hair, moustaches, black and white vests and make up - the band Geordie- , much older than us, walking around the ground.....one of them, must be in in mid 20s tried swinging off my brothers silk scarf at the front of the shelf.... on the train back ended up in a carriage full of them, decent blokes

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From 1977 J38... Should have posted a photo of me from 84...too much like an extra from the Business!



 

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In the back catalogue of forum which put up the Ron Harris picture, a fella tells of his memory of that game. It was the first Saturday of fixtures following England's World Cup win. Ends hadn't quite got going, and most of the younger crowd were on the side enclosures, which would have been the Chicked Run and the old West Side- oddly enough during the skinhead revival most of them knocked around the West Side, before they put seats in there about 82.
In terms of lineage, I vaguely know a pioneer of the Chelsea terrace scene- the one who was before even Eccles, who confirms that a lot of them were mods, who travelled to a lot of away games on their scooters. The first time he can remember it going off at football was Leicester away in 65.
Im not quite sure why the mid sixties saw for the first time saw groups of teenagers congregating together - -.why not any of the previous decades?
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True. The Man. U support was always large. Boosted by the cockney reds, of course . The supporters that impressed me the most were from Newcastle. They travelled in large numbers to London, were very vocal and always looking for a ruck.

Scruffy bunch though .

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In the back catalogue of forum which put up the Ron Harris picture, a fella tells of his memory of that game. It was the first Saturday of fixtures following England's World Cup win. Ends hadn't quite got going, and most of the younger crowd were on the side enclosures, which would have been the Chicked Run and the old West Side- oddly enough during the skinhead revival most of them knocked around the West Side, before they put seats in there about 82.
In terms of lineage, I vaguely know a pioneer of the Chelsea terrace scene- the one who was before even Eccles, who confirms that a lot of them were mods, who travelled to a lot of away games on their scooters. The first time he can remember it going off at football was Leicester away in 65.
Im not quite sure why the mid sixties saw for the first time saw groups of teenagers congregating together - -.why not any of the previous decades?

I think the answer is Clobber . Im told that you would have trouble at Stamford Bridge between teenage gangs from Stockwell / Fulham / Battersea etc in the 50s and early 60s but it was only when some started dressing in a uniformed style did they start to group together .Mod to a extent maybe  but certainly Skinhead . 

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Scruffy bunch though .
we were, a mixture of skins bootboys and smoothies not particularly harder then anyone else but massive numbers like the Chinese army really
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In the back catalogue of forum which put up the Ron Harris picture, a fella tells of his memory of that game. It was the first Saturday of fixtures following England's World Cup win. Ends hadn't quite got going, and most of the younger crowd were on the side enclosures, which would have been the Chicked Run and the old West Side- oddly enough during the skinhead revival most of them knocked around the West Side, before they put seats in there about 82.
In terms of lineage, I vaguely know a pioneer of the Chelsea terrace scene- the one who was before even Eccles, who confirms that a lot of them were mods, who travelled to a lot of away games on their scooters. The first time he can remember it going off at football was Leicester away in 65.
Im not quite sure why the mid sixties saw for the first time saw groups of teenagers congregating together - -.why not any of the previous decades?

I might have been at that game but I can't remember it. If I was I would have been standing in the children's enclosure,  top right hand side of the North Bank as you look at the pitch. In 1980 I would have been standing in the South Bank.

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we were, a mixture of skins bootboys and smoothies not particularly harder then anyone else but massive numbers like the Chinese army really

Welcome Newton heath (I don't think anyone did that yet) You make the distinction between Skins Bootboys and Smoothies.What is a Smoothie to you? 

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Thank you yankmod for your kind words ,from what I've learned on this great forum is that nothing is definite everything depends on where you came from and the time .in my area which is north Manchester (71/72 ) we were a mix of skinheads,which is self explanatory, we had boot boys which wore skinhead gear but had long hair , and the smoothies (who were actually called that) which was post skinhead ,hair grown into a feather cut ,crombies/leather coats ,flares ,and sometimes a umbrella,but it was possibly different a few miles up the road in roytonboys manor,
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Originally Posted by Newton heath View Post

Thank you yankmod for your kind words ,from what I've learned on this great forum is that nothing is definite everything depends on where you came from and the time .in my area which is north Manchester (71/72 ) we were a mix of skinheads,which is self explanatory, we had boot boys which wore skinhead gear but had long hair , and the smoothies (who were actually called that) which was post skinhead ,hair grown into a feather cut ,crombies/leather coats ,flares ,and sometimes a umbrella,but it was possibly different a few miles up the road in roytonboys manor,

 

Yes, my apologies Newton Heath, welcome. I agree with your definitions with the slight exception of 'Smoothies'.With us (about 6 miles away!) the term Smoothie was already in use in early 1971 (i.e. late Skinhead but pre-Suedehead) It was a complementary term used for someone in the most up-to-date Skinhead clothes but whose hair was longer - probably collar length, but short at the front , meaning he looked 'smooth' as opposed to the more aggressive appearance of the crop. (some of the girls preferred this look) The term was also used in the context you refer to later, i.e. post Suedehead when lads were growing their hair longer and were moving away from the skinhead look (penny round collars, scoop neck tank tops, maybe even stack heel shoes etc.) I always associate crombies and brollies with 'Suedehead' which were seen in our area late 1971 and early 1972 (the brollies were a very short lived fad, no more than a couple of months in Autumn '71). I only heard people talking about Smoothies as a youth sub-culture on a tiny number of occasions and even then over a short period of time.

 

So, I was a skinhead late '69 to late '71, evolved into a suedehead late 71 to spring 72 then grew my hair to become a bootboy. I never was a Smoothie, it was a move away from how I saw myself - I still wanted the look of the terraces and hardly ever went to a match in anything else but boots from 1969 -1973. (I was wearing clothes, obviously!)

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The influence that football matches had on the development and growth of the skinhead look should not be under-estimated. Although it's true the fans didn't travel as much as they would in later years. All the London clubs would have serious numbers of youth from both sides at their London derbies and Manchester United Red Army would show up in very serious numbers at West Ham.

 

I would say it was THE major influence in spreading the style and in growing the numbers. It was the reason I and all my skinhead mates got into to look - I can't remember a skinhead lad who wasn't into football. I would go as far as to say it was our only real influence at first, apart from older local lads, who were also football fans. Once we were a bit older and started to go to the local Soul Club, that also had some influence but the main one was always the football terrace.

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