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OK. Probably done this now  but just check out some of the hairstyles on show here - both from 1964.

 

 

 

 

 

What struck me about the top one is how very similar we looked at Blackpool on Easter Monday 1972 - eight years later! It was as if we had come full circle. (Hair length, Fred Perry, V- neck pull-overs, trousers - it's all there, only slight changes in nuance)

 

Gsvs5 - with regard to shoes, the first shoes I noticed as an impressionable 13 year old were tan brogues. I immediately went home and asked if I could have a pair ( I didn't even know what they were called and described them, to puzzled looks, as 'those shoes with holes all over them'.) I think my Mum was thrilled that I wanted something so classy and I was taken to get a pair. Thinking back they were really nice and must have been quite expensive. The only shoes that I can specifically remember owning before that was a pair of suede, slip on Hush Puppy's. They were probably quite trendy at the time but made my feet sweat so much the skin started to peel off! I think that was the reason I was bought proper leather brogues, which then became the shoes I wore to school and everywhere else (these were the days when we only had 2 pairs of shoes -  at 13 years old I was bought a pair of heavy boots for 'playing out' to save my school shoes  and these later became my first 'skinhead' boots.) I was still proudly wearing those brogues with light coloured sta-prest about 3 years later.

 

Are the 'Comos' you refer to the same style as Oxford toe caps?

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@roytonboy

The bloke in the check jacket - unless I'm wrong he features in the Richard Barnes book.

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@roytonboy

The bloke in the check jacket - unless I'm wrong he features in the Richard Barnes book.

 

Yes, he's in a couple of photos.

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There were several short hairstyles pre 68/69. American crewcuts, Boston cut on the neck. Most kids grew up with a short back and sides and wanted something different. I only went for the 1/2 inch crop in late 68 but my hair was already short. I tried a razor parting but on reflection that only went well on a 1/8 or 1/4 inch crop. I only remember skinheads and not mods having the 1/8 inch crop.

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I believe a short side parting, which appears to have been popular, was sometimes known as a Perry Como
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Its been said that the crop worn was copied from the Apollo astronauts who's crew cuts , sta prest trousers etc was on the news nightly back then , looking at pics of those guys they do look the absolute bollocks 

 

Yes, you are correct - someone did suggest that. I would recommend that people look again at the photos of the lads outside the Twisted Wheel (1967) or 'Early Skin with Mods, April 1967' which have been posted recently. The first manned Apollo flight was Apollo 7 (and therefore the first Apollo  astronauts) in October 1968 i.e. after these photos were taken. Here is a photo of the crew.

 

 

 

 

The late mod / skinhead style was well established by then.

 

 

That's not to say that people couldn't have been impressed by some aspects of their style away from their space suits.- American style generally was admired through the 50's and 60's.

 

Also the moon landing by Apollo 11  was a massive event that had an impact on many things - consider the following:

 

Astronaut boots

Skinhead Moonstomp - Symarip

Moonhop - Derrick Morgan

 

I'm sure others can come up with a longer list......

 

However, the  Apollo 11 mission landed on the moon on 21st July 1969. We were well into 'Skinhead by then. Here a photo of the crew prior to the mission:

 

 

 

 

 

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Official mission 'portrait'

 

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Are the 'Comos' you refer to the same style as Oxford toe caps?
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The ones I recall were plain,but there were Oxford caps around,what ever was available in the Army & Navy at the time.In fact I had a pair of Oxford caps (with a rubber sole) as the surplus shoes were all too big for me,and they were ideal for school.

This picture shows how I remember them.These are recent issue Royal Navy Dress shoes.
Edited by Gsvs5 - 4/5/16 at 10:02am
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Thanks, they're my pics, and yeah they're large format I was using a Rolleiflex. 

These have obviously (to me) been scanned out of my book Hysteric Glamour published in 2001.

The top pic I did on the self timer in 1969 , It's of (lft to rt) Ron, Carol, Ed, Vicky, Mac, me, Sheila, Pat, & Sandy standing under a sign saying Rubbish Should Not Be Deposited Here, but here it's been badly cropped .

The pic below I took in the car park by Diamond Records, West Croydon in 1970 of Ed, Ron, Dave & Pat (Mick was on the rt of them but my original has been cropped again)  

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Thanks, they're my pics, and yeah they're large format I was using a Rolleiflex. 

These have obviously (to me) been scanned out of my book Hysteric Glamour published in 2001.

The top pic I did on the self timer in 1969 , It's of (lft to rt) Ron, Carol, Ed, Vicky, Mac, me, Sheila, Pat, & Sandy standing under a sign saying Rubbish Should Not Be Deposited Here, but here it's been badly cropped .

The pic below I took in the car park by Diamond Records, West Croydon in 1970 of Ed, Ron, Dave & Pat (Mick was on the rt of them but my original has been cropped again)  

Which Pics are you referring to?

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The pics that were posted by McDermott on May 9th 2013.

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The pics that were posted by McDermott on May 9th 2013.

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Which Pics are you referring to?

 

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The pics that were posted by McDermott on May 9th 2013.

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Which Pics are you referring to?

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Great find McDermott.We have not seen these photos here before.Looks like someone had a decent camera and knew how to use it.

Thanks, they're my pics, and yeah they're large format I was using a Rolleiflex. 

These have obviously (to me) been scanned out of my book Hysteric Glamour published in 2001.

The top pic I did on the self timer in 1969 , It's of (lft to rt) Ron, Carol, Ed, Vicky, Mac, me, Sheila, Pat, & Sandy standing under a sign saying Rubbish Should Not Be Deposited Here, but here it's been badly cropped .

The pic below I took in the car park by Diamond Records, West Croydon in 1970 of Ed, Ron, Dave & Pat (Mick was on the rt of them but my original has been cropped again)  

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Yes we had the pictures you talk about, and there are others.
This one for example, i posted a long time ago. The hairs are a longer so 'suedehead' time i suppose.


Nobody doubted that the skinheads and everything that followed didn't had tattoo's. Multiple stories and photos to acknowledge this (seen enough on some 60s mods too.. the gang ones).
Here's a neck one from 1970 Newcastle.



Facial Tattoo's especially that famous 80s skin picture is a whole different kind of beast...

Btw I mean Con Man from your quotation, but I could only quote you Clouseau.
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Nobody doubted that the skinheads and everything that followed didn't had tattoo's. Multiple stories and photos to acknowledge this (seen enough on some 60s mods too.. the gang ones).
Here's a neck one from 1970 Newcastle.



Facial Tattoo's especially that famous 80s skin picture is a whole different kind of beast...

Btw I mean Con Man from your quotation, but I could only quote you Clouseau.

               ^ Nice one !

 

Back to the precedent pictures (two lads with tats sitting on a fence). Obviously i wasn't there at the time (and i'm a frog-eater), but there is something in their attitude that screams skinhead (or skinhead turning suedehead) to me. The lad on the right for example : jeans with inverted turn ups, BD, Vneck (probably sleeveless) jumper  + cardigan with roll sleeves. (And i wouldn't be surprised if the socks were red) Well...

Now the shoes may be a clue but i can't identify them. But i remember other pictures with lads identified as skinheads/suedeheads who wore quite the same.

I saw this picture on different websites, either called 'original skinheads' or 'suedeheads'. Proves nothing, i know...

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Back to the precedent pictures (two lads with tats sitting on a fence). Obviously i wasn't there at the time (and i'm a frog-eater), but there is something in their attitude that screams skinhead (or skinhead turning suedehead) to me. The lad on the right for example : jeans with inverted turn ups, BD, Vneck (probably sleeveless) jumper  + cardigan with roll sleeves. (And i wouldn't be surprised if the socks were red) Well...

Now the shoes may be a clue but i can't identify them. But i remember other pictures with lads identified as skinheads/suedeheads who wore quite the same.

I saw this picture on different websites, either called 'original skinheads' or 'suedeheads'. Proves nothing, i know...

 

As we are purely speculating,I would accept "Original Skinheads" if I had seen this labeled as such, as IMO it is Mods transitioning into Skinheads rather than skinheads transitioning into suedehead ?

Just my Two Cents worth and Paddy Power refused my bet ! :confused: 

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