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Very interesting @covskin and thanks for sharing the link.

post #22877 of 24893

Early Dr Maertens german sole

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Not very well known, but the original Dr Maertens brand existed in Germany until the 90s. They made comfy shoes mainly for old people.

 

 

 

Now, "back in the day" (that is before Airwair were the only to brand their soles Dr martens), the soles were (almost, some Hawkins had Hawkins Astronauts branded on it) all the same. The name of the manufacturer was written inside (Solovair, Hawkins, Tredair, George Cox, Aiwair, Loake, etc.) 

 

Speaking of contemporary DMs style footwear, i tried several (shoes, i don't wear boots for years, i've got an old 6 eyelets though), and i'm not that fond of the Solovairs, i found that the soles wore much faster than the Airwairs. I mainly got some MIE Aiwairs now, some are great stuff, like the Steeds, i like the thin sole, much smarter imho. I had some contemporary George Cox that were great too. 

Cox, Solovair, Loake, all brand their air soles (Dr Martens style) with their own name now.

post #22878 of 24893
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I wonder what the soles of your Astronauts are like?

 

I've got a pair of Solovair 11 eye derby boots (maybe 10 years old, internal stitch) that feel very hard underneath - unlike DMs, no bounciness to the soles at all. But recently, I got a pair of their new 11 eye derby boots (external stitch), and if anything, the soles are even bouncier than DMs. So either Solovair finally got it right, or it varies from model to model.


The soles are superior to DM's. .

 

 

post #22879 of 24893

^these soles wear definitely  quicker. Wearing DMs for 35 years.

You've got nice legs (and stockings) Saint. I understand know why you wear the Lee Riders slimfit 19 oz. You're so skinny :D 

post #22880 of 24893

Yes, where can we get that hipster pantyhose with turn-ups?:D 

 

Well, that's good news, Saint. I've got a pair of antique Hawkins Astros - the pride of my humble collection - but if the soles give up for good, I might consider Solovair Astros instead of getting them resoled (not that anyone could resole Air Wair these days, could they?)

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Yes, where can we get that hipster pantyhose with turn-ups?:D 

 

Well, that's good news, Saint. I've got a pair of antique Hawkins Astros - the pride of my humble collection - but if the soles give up for good, I might consider Solovair Astros instead of getting them resoled (not that anyone could resole Air Wair these days, could they?)

Now, speaking of leather uppers, Solovair are good.

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Originally Posted by Bela Kun View Post
 

Yes, where can we get that hipster pantyhose with turn-ups?:D 

 

Well, that's good news, Saint. I've got a pair of antique Hawkins Astros - the pride of my humble collection - but if the soles give up for good, I might consider Solovair Astros instead of getting them resoled (not that anyone could resole Air Wair these days, could they?)


Yes buddie , they are being worn by a rather hot wee skin bird that works in the shop, ,

 

These are good boots and they polish up rather well but they simply do not compare to the boots of yesteryear. I have a pair of DM shoes(you know the ones ne pas avec yellow stitching)that I sometimes wear to work and it seems that the soles have worn away in no time at all . The sole composition I reckon changed about 12yrs ago . .

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Yes buddie , they are being worn by a rather hot wee skin bird that works in the shop, ,

 

These are good boots and they polish up rather well but they simply do not compare to the boots of yesteryear. I have a pair of DM shoes(you know the ones ne pas avec yellow stitching)that I sometimes wear to work and it seems that the soles have worn away in no time at all . The sole composition I reckon changed about 12yrs ago . .

Saint, that would be "ne pas" or "pas avec" (eventually). "ne pas avec" don't exist. To be precise, in the context of your sentence it should be "sans"

As you've already got some little problems with English, you should avoid French (imho). :D 

 

And speaking of the DM sole composition, i guess it depends of the models.

post #22884 of 24893
A change in quality of sole 12 years ago would seem to correlate with the shift of production to China. Anyone know where the sole units are actually made? Several makers now or still just Griggs knocking them out but now as own label for Solovair, Loake, etc.

A quick google seems to show that Solovair actually made the Airwair soles, presumably subcontracted by Griggs as Griggs held the licence from the Germans. Christ, this is complicated!
Edited by covskin - 2/5/16 at 11:55am
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A change in quality of sole 12 years ago would seem to correlate with the shift of production to China. Anyone know where the sole units are actually made? Several makers now or still just Griggs knocking them out but now as own label for Solovair, Loake, etc.

Dr Martens made some commercials (short films) a few years ago for the Made In England line, you could see the making of some sole units in the Northern England factory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwPX5nwz73c  and  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIqJBx_C4WY  (at 2.17)

 

Probably, when they relocated before in Thailand and China they had the sole units made there, furthermore as for a few years (i think) they had stopped the production in England. So most likely now, sole units are made in England and in different countries. I noticed the soles on the Made In China and Thailand ones are of a lighter colour. 

post #22886 of 24893

You can certainly see the difference in thickness from the non MIE DMs to the others.  They're almost translucent. 

From what i've gathered NPS/Solovair were subcontracted to do the production initially and through till the 90s sometimes when R Griggs & Co opened their own factory or perhaps increased output to meet full demand. Now the MIE DMs are made by NPS again.

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Saint, that would be "ne pas" or "pas avec" (eventually). "ne pas avec" don't exist. To be precise, in the context of your sentence it should be "sans"

As you've already got some little problems with English, you should avoid French (imho). :D 

 

And speaking of the DM sole composition, i guess it depends of the models.


Fuckin lol

 

I wasn't using French , which was obvious , even to you . .:D

 

Yeh , I think you mentioned something about the standard of my written English  before , lol

 

 

Hey, people in glass houses and all that . .:smarmy:

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Fuckin lol

 

I wasn't using French , which was obvious , even to you . .:D

 

What were you using, then ?

 

Yeh , I think you mentioned something about the standard of my written English  before , lol

 

You are right, i shouldn't pour water on a drowning person

 

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 Sacré bleu!

 

Someone is pouring water on you ! I should certainly get them to stop that, toots sweete. .

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Hey you two - get a reum!

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