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Sorry to go off on a tangent here but has anybody on here bar me bought the Solovair "Hawkins" Burgundy Horween Leather Boot from The British Boot Company? If so, what are your thoughts?
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You should post a pic of you wearing it Buddie , with the clothes you described . .

Ain't got a camera, so these awkward laptop 'selfies' will have to suffice. I managed to fit the jeans in, but not the boots...

 

I'm gonna delete them later as I don't really like putting pics of myself on the web. Anyway... the coat is sweet, isn't it?

 

[pictures deleted]


Edited by Bela Kun - 2/4/16 at 3:56pm
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Looks fine - I like the lack of contrast between inner and outer - and goes well with the denim and the plain shirt. A 'not trying too hard' look. Length looks ok and looks to fit your shoulders.
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They're the 'Long Day' 501s you recommended, Covskin. On my second pair now.

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Apparently, a Burton suit made to measure would have cost about £225 at today's prices in 1966. At those prices I would have a M to M suit for every day of the week. In 1966 a man would order a suit on average every two years and have to wait about six weeks for it to be made. 

Kid at my school had a Crombie made with 'crombie cloth ' from Burtons . Every boy aged between 12 and 16 was showed the label .. if my memories not fucked i think he said it had cost £15 or 15 Guineas ? 

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https://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/smooths-playing-it-cool-bryan-speaks/

 

Not sure if any forum members knew Bryan or that he was killed last month in a car accident but this blog is ace - Some cracking pics as well .RIP .  The Reggae tune posted ' Smooths and Sorts ' id never heard before .

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Aw mate, you don't like it? I think it looks the dog's bollocks.

You mentioned 'Police' and I was making an obscure Bakunin joke! biggrin.gif
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You mentioned 'Police' and I was making an obscure Bakunin joke! biggrin.gif

Too obscure for me! OK, you got me there :) 

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Sorry to go off on a tangent here but has anybody on here bar me bought the Solovair "Hawkins" Burgundy Horween Leather Boot from The British Boot Company? If so, what are your thoughts?

Whilst I don't own that particular boot, I do have the Solovair Hawkins Astronauts, which is an eleven eyelet boot . They are very decent boots and the quality of the leather is certainly far superior to the MiC Doc's that are out there. I've been wearing Docs for a long , long time but the Solovair remind me of what Docs were like back in the days of yore, really decent boots but I paid a lot less than £245 !
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Too obscure for me! OK, you got me there smile.gif  

Excuse us, lads - Bela and I have got some in-jokes going on just now. Don't pay us any attention. smile.gif
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Whilst I don't own that particular boot, I do have the Solovair Hawkins Astronauts, which is an eleven eyelet boot . They are very decent boots and the quality of the leather is certainly far superior to the MiC Doc's that are out there. I've been wearing Docs for a long , long time but the Solovair remind me of what Docs were like back in the days of yore, really decent boots but I paid a lot less than £245 !

I wonder what the soles of your Astronauts are like?

 

I've got a pair of Solovair 11 eye derby boots (maybe 10 years old, internal stitch) that feel very hard underneath - unlike DMs, no bounciness to the soles at all. But recently, I got a pair of their new 11 eye derby boots (external stitch), and if anything, the soles are even bouncier than DMs. So either Solovair finally got it right, or it varies from model to model.


Edited by Bela Kun - 2/5/16 at 3:57am
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So either Solovair finally got it right, or it varies from model to model.

I don't think Solovair ever had any problem getting it right, at one time Solovair were what you got if you asked for DMs. The Airwair soles were bought in/licensed seperate from the generic boot itself. So are the soles actually branded Solovair?
Edited by covskin - 2/5/16 at 5:36am
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Maybe it's just that particular model that had really hard soles, then. My other pair of Solovair feels much better.

 

This is what the non-bouncy ones look like:

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And this is the more comfortable model I got more recently: 

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Whilst I don't own that particular boot, I do have the Solovair Hawkins Astronauts, which is an eleven eyelet boot . They are very decent boots and the quality of the leather is certainly far superior to the MiC Doc's that are out there. I've been wearing Docs for a long , long time but the Solovair remind me of what Docs were like back in the days of yore, really decent boots but I paid a lot less than £245 !


Stay away from the Horween and The British Boot Company is my advice. Shit boot and shit company to deal with.

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The whole Dr Martens, Griggs, Airwair, Solovair thing is fairly complex. It is basically an owner/operator split but on two levels!

http://businesscasestudies.co.uk/dr-martens/development-of-a-brand-through-trade-mark-protection/introduction.html#axzz3zIhjgxRn

Two things, patents and trademarks. The patent for the sole and the Dr Martens trademark applied to the sole were held by the German inventor. The patent for the sole presumably expired long ago but not before the German inventor licensed production of the sole to Griggs in Northampton. Griggs added their own Airwair trademark to the product and used it in their own boot production. Griggs also sold the sole unit alone and licensed use of their Airwair trademark to other bootmakers such as Solovair. At some point the patent will have expired allowing production of a generic sole under some trademark other than Dr Martens or Airwair provided the producer had the know how.

So when I asked for Doc Martens 35 years ago I was given a boot branded Airwair made by Solovair. No wonder I asked if they were really Doc Martens!

This is presumably all traceable/dateable in the names that appear on the sole unit - Dr Marten giving way to Airwair giving way to Solovair (and others?) - but given that tooling for production is fucking expensive I suspect there could be a timelag before any changeover in tooling leading to names persisting beyond the necessary.
Edited by covskin - 2/5/16 at 7:20am
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