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The trouble with photos of 'skinhead girls' from 1969/71 is how little they seem to have got into it - a bit of a hairstyle, maybe not even that, and clothing looking fairly mainstream. Not sure that this is subtlety, seems more like non-commitment to me. It is much easier to answer the question 'is she a skinhead girl' when looking at later photos.


You could be right but there may have been more to it than that, maybe they just did what they thought they could get away with in relation to parents and the wider society, it's not like there were many girls involved in the Teddy Boy or Mod eras.  Seems like there were more involved in the skinhead times, even if they might not have looked so much the part.

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TBH, in our day a 'skinhead girl' was basically a girl who would date skinhead boys. A mini skirt would be essential, but the rest of the 'look' was bolt-on.

Looking at all the pics of 1960s skinhead girls, I had the same impression. It's weird, as it seems almost like a step back. In the 1950s, there were female teds with a definite 'teddy girl' look (though perhaps they were an exception rather than the rule):

http://www.anothermag.com/fashion-beauty/8064/teddy-girls-the-style-subculture-that-time-forgot 

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'Bootboy Playlist'? - a few I had never heard of here:

 

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Bootboy Glam and Football Chants: Proto-Oi! in the 1970s United Kingdom

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/bootboy-glam-football-chants-proto-oi-in-1970s-uk

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Looking at all the pics of 1960s skinhead girls, I had the same impression. It's weird, as it seems almost like a step back. In the 1950s, there were female teds with a definite 'teddy girl' look (though perhaps they were an exception rather than the rule):

http://www.anothermag.com/fashion-beauty/8064/teddy-girls-the-style-subculture-that-time-forgot 


Never seen any pix of Teddy Girls before...wow

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'Bootboy Playlist'? - a few I had never heard of here:

 

Features

Bootboy Glam and Football Chants: Proto-Oi! in the 1970s United Kingdom

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/bootboy-glam-football-chants-proto-oi-in-1970s-uk

 

I remember Neat Change but I don't remember seeing a photie of them before but I reckon their look was nicked by other bands after them. .

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My concept of teddy girls was always like these 2 in the picture below. .

 

 

Of course if you saw them on their own , you might not even associate them with the 'Ted scene , at all. .

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The Scene Club.1967.(according to Skinhead Soul)

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You could be right but there may have been more to it than that, maybe they just did what they thought they could get away with in relation to parents and the wider society

 

For what it's worth, Nick Knight's account from the 'Skinhead' book identifies distinct skinhead girl clothes not dissimilar to what the guys wore, as well as different periods:

 

"The clothes of skinhead girls made them look superficially like the boys. 'Can't tell boys from girls' has been the typical whine from reporters when faced by any new youth group. Most skinhead girls, sometimes called rennes, would wear bennies, button-button fly red tags, white socks and penny loafers or monkey boots. As the fashion matured they had short mini-skirts beneath three-quarter length two-tone jackets and fishnet tights. The hairstyle would be a number two or three crop with feathered fringes all round. Some had long straight hair. The combination of fishnet tights, mini-skirts and cropped hair created an image which, at least to one observer, was absolutely stunning".

 

There are pictures of girls that do look more 'skinheadish' than the Twiggy/mod girls that populate Bovvergrrl's blog. For example, the girl on the cover of Black Dwarf of 10 May 1970.

 

 

These girls also have more of a 'uniform' going:

 

 

And then there's this photo, which I've seen dated as 'October 1969' (as these things go, it could be totally wrong, of course):

 


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Nick Knight's account:

"... Most skinhead girls, sometimes called rennes..."

What? Anyone else heard that one, because I certainly haven't.

('wrens', maybe? A regional thing?)
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"...would wear bennies, button-button fly red tags, white socks and penny loafers or monkey boots..."

And when they did, they would manage to look feminine in them. I can never remember mistaking a girl for a boy.
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"... As the fashion matured they had short mini-skirts beneath three-quarter length two-tone jackets and fishnet tights..."

Sorry, but that's arse-up, and over-simplified. The short-skirt look was around well before (some) girls started adopting boy's clothes. The two-tone jackets/suits on girls were all kinds of lengths. My bird in late 1969 had a Trevira jacket in blue that was 3/4 length, but also a PoW check suit with a bolero jacket and no lapels. I never saw any girls in fishnet tights. Patterned tights, yes; fishnet no.

Having said that, I dare say some girl, somewhere...
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"... The hairstyle would be a number two or three crop with feathered fringes all round..."

A description that gave rise to a-thousand-and-one revival nightmares!
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"...The combination of fishnet tights, mini-skirts and cropped hair created an image which, at least to one observer, was absolutely stunning..."

That much I can agree with.

The thing is, we've already argued the bejasus out of the Nick Knight book. It has its good points, I'll say no more.
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