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I hope you have avoided all the ongoing madness monsieur Clouseau . 

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I did. It is crazy. They just say that 100 people were killed only in the Bataclan.
France 9/11
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I did. It is crazy. They just say that 100 people were killed only in the Bataclan.
France 9/11

Je suis Paris.
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It is how they seem to be perceived, you never really seem to see hipsters in working class neighborhoods in Britain, and you hear a lot about them gentrifying  areas, just look at certain parts of london.

Take a look at this pic - it is supposed to show some major fashion trends amongst male 'hipsters'.

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

Now, if asked to describe what a 'hipster' looks like, I would have gone along to a large extent with what's shown above. I would have said: "Bushy beard, shortish hair, checked shirt often with button-braces over it, sleeves rolled up to show an armful of tribal tats, skinny jeans with untidy turn-ups, and clumpy boots."

The funny thing is that a couple of months ago I saw a TV documentary about a police unit dealing with street disturbances on a 'problem estate' (it may have been in Wales, I'm not sure), and I spotted at least two blokes dressed like that amongst the 'troublemakers'.What that says to me is that that kind of 'look' is becoming nothing more than a fashion, and is becoming much less related to class than we would suppose.
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Take a look at this pic - it is supposed to show some major fashion trends amongst male 'hipsters'.

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

Now, if asked to describe what a 'hipster' looks like, I would have gone along to a large extent with what's shown above. I would have said: "Bushy beard, shortish hair, checked shirt often with button-braces over it, sleeves rolled up to show an armful of tribal tats, skinny jeans with untidy turn-ups, and clumpy boots."

The funny thing is that a couple of months ago I saw a TV documentary about a police unit dealing with street disturbances on a 'problem estate' (it may have been in Wales, I'm not sure), and I spotted at least two blokes dressed like that amongst the 'troublemakers'.What that says to me is that that kind of 'look' is becoming nothing more than a fashion, and is becoming much less related to class than we would suppose.

 

I guess like any 'look' it slowly diffuses into the rest of the community over time, DMs and FP are good examples of that too.  Re Blur well I think they were more middle class wankers as mentioned earlier as they kind of pre date the hipster thing but I'm sure have influenced it..  They have jumped on a few bandwagons through their career, they had a 'baggy' phase, mod/skin inspired phase and a kind of 'student' look too.

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Take a look at this pic - it is supposed to show some major fashion trends amongst male 'hipsters'.

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

Now, if asked to describe what a 'hipster' looks like, I would have gone along to a large extent with what's shown above. I would have said: "Bushy beard, shortish hair, checked shirt often with button-braces over it, sleeves rolled up to show an armful of tribal tats, skinny jeans with untidy turn-ups, and clumpy boots."

The funny thing is that a couple of months ago I saw a TV documentary about a police unit dealing with street disturbances on a 'problem estate' (it may have been in Wales, I'm not sure), and I spotted at least two blokes dressed like that amongst the 'troublemakers'.What that says to me is that that kind of 'look' is becoming nothing more than a fashion, and is becoming much less related to class than we would suppose.

 

 

Reminds me of this with the beards, yeah not a good look at all, in my opinion.


Edited by Donkey Jacket - 11/14/15 at 5:29am
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^ a true resemblance, but the tramp would kick their arse.
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Been searching the thread for keywords 501, selvedge, etc and noticed a lot of people saying they wore shrink-to-fit straight-leg Levis red tag *with a zip*. So 502 and not 501 then, if the numbers had mattered back then (which they didn't). Just a footnote of history.

http://www.levisguide.com/502/502s.html
Edited by covskin - 11/14/15 at 7:56am
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Take a look at this pic - it is supposed to show some major fashion trends amongst male 'hipsters'.

CREATOR: gd-jpeg v1.0 (using IJG JPEG v62), quality = 90

Now, if asked to describe what a 'hipster' looks like, I would have gone along to a large extent with what's shown above. I would have said: "Bushy beard, shortish hair, checked shirt often with button-braces over it, sleeves rolled up to show an armful of tribal tats, skinny jeans with untidy turn-ups, and clumpy boots."

The funny thing is that a couple of months ago I saw a TV documentary about a police unit dealing with street disturbances on a 'problem estate' (it may have been in Wales, I'm not sure), and I spotted at least two blokes dressed like that amongst the 'troublemakers'.What that says to me is that that kind of 'look' is becoming nothing more than a fashion, and is becoming much less related to class than we would suppose.

' Hipster ' is just another tabloid name invention ... same as ' Skinhead ' 

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^ a true resemblance, but the tramp would kick their arse.

It's like they're going out of their way to be ugly.
We can't all have had the good fortune to make the lasses swoon due to matinee idol handsomity(!) but for me one of the tenets of Mod was to do the absolute best with what you've got. These people are like the 180 degree antithesis of Mod. 'I'm not conventionally handsome so I won't make any attempt, in fact I'll go out of my way to make it obvious I'm not trying' thus the shit beards, shit hats, workwear clothes, etc.

Due to weird quirks in my family background I don't get class references. I've never felt like I belonged to, fitted in with, or aspired to belong to any particular class. I don't get the vilification of 'middle class', nor the desperation for perceived status of being 'working class'. There are people with enviable wealth and those without it. Some of that wealth was hard earned, some due to an accident of birth or inheritance or lotto tickets.
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Not many references to Levi's 502s on this thread so here is my own 502 story, reposted from the other thread for anyone who might be interested:

Not so happy with the fit of my 501s I ordered some shrink-to-fit which got me thinking of my previous experience with shrink-to-fit, back in 1979 with some Levis orange tag 50* somethings (low number, maybe 503?) having a zipper and a slight taper.

Google led me to the LVC site, Ebay, Superfuture, etc and it seems from this (not 501 button fly, not 503 wide silhouette, 504 apparently non-existent for men, not 505 always pre-shrunk) they would have been orange tag 502s - zippered 501s produced from 1967 to 1976 with an orange tag to differentiate a streetwear line having slightly different construction details (stitching, label, etc). The 501 variants on the LVC site move from a slightly tapered 1966 silhouette to a lower rise 1978 silhouette so I am guessing (1966 501<1976 502<1978 501<1979 purchase) I got a pair of 502 three years or older which more closely followed the lines of the 501 worn by the first wave of skinheads than did the 501 in 1979.

No idea who should take the credit for this, me with my profound instincts (lol!) or the shopkeeper taking one look at me and knowing what was needed. Anyway, I really enjoyed fleshing out my recollection with the help of google. Seems to me to be a fascinating little story of how the look went on.
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Not that's its really possible to define a hipster these days as anything other than 'trendy young person' but Blur pre-date all that. As Soul Vision mentioned they played around with various Skinhead and 80s Casual looks. Apparently they were told to cut it out with the DMs and Union Jacks due to unwanted right-wing overtones. Can't seem to find any online but there are definitely photos of them in DMs and Harringtons. Then there's the Sergio Taccini zip-up Damon's wearing in the Park LIfe video....
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... middle class wankers ...

Ease, up - you're talking to one! biggrin.gif

Just to get back to the topic of 'our' era, I think I have mentioned before that the first mainstream mods (short hair, levis, etc. pre-skinhead) I saw in London were in the suburbs.
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post

Been searching the thread for keywords 501, selvedge, etc and noticed a lot of people saying they wore shrink-to-fit straight-leg Levis red tag *with a zip*. So 502 and not 501 then, if the numbers had mattered back then (which they didn't). Just a footnote of history.

http://www.levisguide.com/502/502s.html

As I recall, back in the day you just went into a shop and asked for 'Levis'. I never heard anyone talk numbers.
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