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post #22156 of 25224
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

So the question I have to ask,
The title of this thread is Mod to suedehead,
Does that mean everything that encompasses everything in that title no matter what year etc,or does it mean from 67 - 72 and if so, why not say so in the title,


I can only imagine what it must have been like, going to clubs like The Twisted Wheel and The Torch when they were known as Mod clubs just before they became big on the Northern scene (I say those 2 clubs only because they were my neck of the woods so to speak)
I imagine there must of been great clubs up and the country, especially in that there London.
I must admit, I do envy those people who were there at that time and in that age group.

 

I must admit con man that is how I have always viewed it. When I first stumbled across the site a little over two and a half years ago all the posts seemed to be about that era - photos of original skinhead girls from Bunty and Ed, the story of his youth from Gsvs5 and comments from others who had clearly been there at the time. When I started posting it was all in relation to that era and the responses I received were of a similar nature. Had that not been the case I doubt very much that I would have continued viewing and posting. After several months of posting, right out of the blue I had an invitation to a meet up of regular posters - when I got there most people were from that particular age group, those that weren't were very much 'into' that 67-72 period. From time to time new 'members' came along who were from, lets say, a 'different generation' and though they were made welcome most contributed for a few weeks then disappeared. I would say that it is really only over the last twelve months or less that the number of posters from different generations of skinhead have grown significantly and as their numbers have grown the older members have drifted away - or at least contribute less. I don't know if this is purely coincidence or not. 

 

As can be seen from responses over the last 24 hours, there is now no one definitive reason why people view and contribute (apparently many more view than post). You clearly regard music as pretty fundamental - Covskin seems to regard it as pretty irrelevant or at least incidental. Some show interest only in the 'original' era, others want to talk about a different period, younger members want a look for now. (Some view it as a marketplace!). The nature of the forum has changed and that's probably why some 'differences of opinion' are starting to emerge. 

 

In response to your question about great clubs up and down the country, they were many. You always hear of the 'legendary' clubs you have mentioned (and with good reason) but the majority of people went to the local club or venue in their town (you tended not to stray much off your own patch......) and if you were out with a hundred or so like minded people, many of whom you knew, you'd have a great night.

post #22157 of 25224
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

I agree very much with roytonboy.  I too learned or re-learned an incredible amount from all the 'originals' and from some of the younger guys who forced me to review some of my ideas and prejudices.

 

While I haven't walked away I do feel that discussions about life and style from around 1967 - 72 have almost been exhausted.  It does for me raise the issue of whether the thread has indeed run its course.

 

One thing that interests me is how elements of what we have termed 'the Look' continue to influence things today and where the Look might go in the future.  That is the main reason I started the thread called 'The Look Goes On' here on the SW&D SF board.

 

That thread still trundles on but has too perhaps started to come to the end of the road.  It's certainly never been as popular as this one.

 

roytonboy suggests: 'Perhaps there is call for a different site now relating to skinhead styles of all eras? Posters could then swap ideas from different regions and time periods and people might be a more receptive to a bit of 'cross-fertilisation''.  I would certainly be interested in that idea.  roytonboy why not kick one off?

 

Because my ignorance of any era other than my own would quickly become very apparent!

post #22158 of 25224
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Originally Posted by Soul Vision View Post


You don't need to apologise MoM, the people knocking you have hardly written their own books nor offered to help you out, and at least you can spell!

It took years of practice! biggrin.gif

Really I was mostly apologising to the folk who have waited longest for the book, but I extended it to anyone who would simply like to see it.
post #22159 of 25224
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Originally Posted by covskin View Post


On the Book, I am not sure that transcribing stuff from here is actually very useful. A rough draft that interpreted stuff from here into themes as the thread developed would have been the better way to go I think. Maybe a run through a timeline then a run through a 'placeline' to capture the variation. Would probably be a pretty short book, I think we all have it in our head by now.

Noted, but what I have been doing was agreed - sort of - by a lot of people who were on here, because it was going to be the basis of an 'in our own words' record, rather than a book 'about' us.
post #22160 of 25224
MoM, were you thinking along the lines of "The Soul Stylists"?
post #22161 of 25224
Royston boy and Gsvs5
We will have to agree to disagree,
The bloke who started the thread is / was into the Traditional style, to me this means he likes the look of the original period, but there were Skinheads in 70's and 80's who followed that look, believe it or not.
He says he is 47 and it was 2008, which would make him about 6 years older than me and would have only been 8 years old in 1969, he then states he was 19 in 79/80, so the chances are, he was part of that generation of Skinheads.
I haven't read all the pages on this thread and to be honest have only just had a quick flick through the first 10 pages.
He was obviously into the look of 67-72 period, as am I and many others, who are strangely of my generation maybe that's just an age thing, I don't wear boots ( only desert boots ) and braces anymore, but as you get older, I'm 48 now, you can get away with the more conservative / Ivy League look.
If I wore boots, braces , loud check shirts and close cropped, I would look like ( we have all seen the pics of the so called Skinhead Reunion in Brighton) I'm not knocking them lot, but let's be honest, it not a middle aged mans look, bit like the comedy Mods.
I'm wittering on a bit, But what I have noticed is that,
In those first few pages, there is very little talk of the clothing of the original period,
Punk, Oi! , SHARP, Casuals, Ska, Reggae, right wing politics, Ian Stewart, Laurel Aitkin, two tone, new wave, glam rock, Australian sharpies, New York, Sweden, Germany etc etc were discussed.
And by what seem to be mainly foreigners.
I don't know how long all that went on until an original Skinhead came on board.
Now that's not to disrespect what people like yourselves and the knowledge you have of the original period, in fact it is the most relevant part of the cult and needs to be noted ( before all your generation pop your clogs) haha!!!( That's is said in jest)
I'm just saying (and I'm in danger of repeating myself( I believe the thread was started to discuss all things regarding , Mod , Skinhead and Suedehead.
post #22162 of 25224
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

It took years of practice! biggrin.gif

Really I was mostly apologising to the folk who have waited longest for the book, but I extended it to anyone who would simply like to see it.
Bugger me - not literally - I go away for a few weeks to watch Scottish fitba' in Portugal, and I return and there's a minor skirmish.

Read it all, nobody really owns the forum, but let's not get bogged down by what divides us and concentrate on what makes us an entity.

The soccer violence for me was part of being a skinhead - but not the be-all and end-all. I Loved the clobber.

And, being a Scot, in England, I could have a ruck every day... and sometimes I did - but the results averaged out.

No names pulled out as 'best', but some fellas (and the odd delightful "sort" )I've met through this MB have been diamonds - and it's sad some have stopped posting - Roy!!! - you listening?

I am in drink so I'll let you crack on but, as an oldie, who properly did' The Wheel', the Casino (but felt 50!) and a few others including the MSG in the 60s and who never danced shog[1].gif the 'scene' tae me was more important thaan the scrapping.

Nigh-night, folks!
post #22163 of 25224
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

Royston boy and Gsvs5
We will have to agree to disagree,
The bloke who started the thread is / was into the Traditional style, to me this means he likes the look of the original period, but there were Skinheads in 70's and 80's who followed that look, believe it or not.
(...)
But what I have noticed is that,
In those first few pages, there is very little talk of the clothing of the original period,
Punk, Oi! , SHARP, Casuals, Ska, Reggae, right wing politics, Ian Stewart, Laurel Aitkin, two tone, new wave, glam rock, Australian sharpies, New York, Sweden, Germany etc etc were discussed.
And by what seem to be mainly foreigners.
I don't know how long all that went on until an original Skinhead came on board.
Now that's not to disrespect what people like yourselves and the knowledge you have of the original period, in fact it is the most relevant part of the cult and needs to be noted ( before all your generation pop your clogs) haha!!!( That's is said in jest)
I'm just saying (and I'm in danger of repeating myself( I believe the thread was started to discuss all things regarding , Mod , Skinhead and Suedehead.

Well this is true ! I think the first 'original' to come on board was MoM, who started the discussion about the first years.

Then, gradually, there were more and more originals.

But Ed is right, nobody 'owns the forum'.

Even if of course the more interesting part is the 67-72 period.

It has already been said, but until roughly 4 years ago the thread was called 'Traditional skinhead'. As the title was not PC enough for the forum moderators, they changed it to 'Mod to suedehead'. So it began to attract a different public. (For example Thin White Duke, Skinny Legs, etc, that are more 79' mods.)

 

So after all Con Man is right. We should be open to talk about other periods - but with the 'Traditional' style in mind, no need to change thread IMO. Furthermore as the scope of the posters is wider than it used to be.

post #22164 of 25224
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Originally Posted by cocostella View Post



MoM, were you thinking along the lines of "The Soul Stylists"?



Not precisely. More like an extended conversation, which is what a lot of this thread is.
post #22165 of 25224
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post



Bugger me - not literally - I go away for a few weeks to watch Scottish fitba' in Portugal, and I return and there's a minor skirmish.



Seriously, Ed, it's not that heavy. smile.gif
post #22166 of 25224
When I found this forum I had the impression that the people who were already here when I arrived were interested in getting closer to how the 'look' was in the late 60s, wanted to know what life was really like back then, but acknowledged that things had moved on since then. To me, the terms 'Traditional Skinhead' and "Mod to Suedehead' did suggest a particular period, the period I cared about and about which I could make a useful contribution. Maybe it has taken a long time, but I do acknowledge that things have moved on, and that this forum can be and ought to be fairly broad.

However, what concerns me now is this: we ought to be able to strike a balance. If there is another forum thread anywhere in the English-speaking world that deals with, or has dealt with in some detail, the 'original' period, then I never found it, so we shouldn't lose that. Having the continued presence of some of us living fossils will guarantee that. A lot of things have happened in the phenomenon that is known as 'Skinhead' since my day that frankly I don't like - no need to spell out what they are - and they probably have a dedicated forum thread elsewhere on the web. BUT, I agree that us zimmer-framed totters should not have it all our own way here - yes, the thread should be broad enough to be lively.

That's why I welcome new blood. So long as they don't try to wheel us into a home just yet. wink.gifbiggrin.gif
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A few years ago I was curious if there was anything on the web regarding original skinheads from the 69-71 era.  I trawled through pages of latter skinhead stuff that I had no experience of and had nothing in connection and then I happened upon this forum and could not believe that there were people out there who could still talk about and recall how things were for us some 45 years ago.

 

After reading for a couple of months I was impelled to put on my first posting after Lasttye had commented that if there were no new blood then they ought to call it a day (that was around page 450?) we are now on page 1478

 

I was made very welcome and continued to post and share my memories for about a year.  And this is where the problem arises.  You tend to recall only moments of your life and when you do you then need to concentrate to remember more of any particular event.  I think I have exhausted my memories until someone raises another topic and you can recall and put your bit in

 

Many things on here have refreshed my memories from my youth and childhood.  I have enjoyed contributions from similar aged contributors such as Lasttye, Bob the Badger, Roytonboy, Ed Vaughan, Pressuredrop, Mr knightly some older members M-O-M and Browniecj and younger ones Buttons, Basset, Bunty and Clouseau - this is to name only a few.  I have also met a few of these guys and hopefully will meet up again and include some people I have not yet met  Of the people I have met so far It has been a pleasure to be in their company and discuss the old days and also to take in what the younger guys have to say

 

Its interesting that back in 69 we did not Analise what we were doing but of course the younger contributors to this forum do and I have learned so much of the detail of what we wore listened to that did not know back then.  If it was not for this thread I would have had no way of knowing

 

Of the last year or so I can only comment if I have something to say as unless i get a prompt to the old memory its difficult to get anything out

 

I still read this thread most days and take on board its contents and it is remarkable that it generally has comments each day.  In my opinion its worth keeping going

 

People come and go on here and old faithfuls carry on posting - every ones got their opinion

 

I have commented in my earlier postings that the 69 -- 71 era was very special to me and I treasure the memories - this thread and its contributors have kept that alive for me - thanks

post #22169 of 25224

Some well reasoned points from everyone - maybe that discussion was needed. Having seen photos and video clips of you con man, I never doubted that you were true to the original style - I couldn't really picture you with part shaven, part pink haired, pierced bird on your arm who was wearing fish-nets and 10 hole cherry reds. 

 

I shall continue to read and post when and if I feel I have anything useful to contribute.

 

 

M-o-M  - I had a chat with Little Queenie about the book the last time we bumped into each other.

post #22170 of 25224
Can't disagree with any of that. I too don't like a lot of what has happened since my time, seems pretty natural to feel that for something that really mattered to you - tradition does develop but there has to be some legitimacy to that. I look forward to reading a lot more about the clothing/attitude inherent in our tradition.
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