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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

I don't think this or any other Forum regarding style would remain vibrant if that was to be the case.The whole look of the original Mod through Suedehead period as discussed here was based on the subtleties and details,so I would argue that there was a good chance anyone who was unable to interpret those latent pointers ,would indeed look like a "sack of shit"
Without getting in the whole MA-1 debate too much,the silhouette of the original Military issue jackets and Surfer jackets were a world apart and instantly recognized as completely different.Just as the cut/fit of later production/reproduction Harrington's have altered to satisfy current fashion trends.So you can wear a pr of 2015 501's and a slim Bill Gibson MA-1 and still miss the mark ( despite spending a lot of money !), if indeed that is the aim?
It's not for me or anyone to dictate what is right or wrong,but I believe it 's fair to express that opinion if someone is talking about a specific period and what was in fact worn and how.
You raise a valid point regarding" how" clothes are worn........
Some of the "Modern" cuts of older styles make it impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. Yrs ago .and that is assuming that you even care/understand the differences?
Just listed to Eno -The John Peel Lectures ,where he talks about Culture and touches on individual style and choices.Thought provoking and worth a look.(if anyone gives a fuck? )


Now for something a lot more interesting...........
This is a great event, I have been going for the last 8 years and can vouch for it.
It's well attended by real people ( not faceless people who talk clever, but are afraid to show themselves ) for some strange reason!
Original Skinheads, who will tell you how it really was, back in their day,
Mainly folk of around my age, So called revivalist, second wave, or whatever you want to call us
And more and more youngsters every year
People from the UK and beyond,
Friendly atmosphere, great tunes,
A few prima donnas, who generally stand around the bar, preening themselves and basically doing nothing else i.e.....dancing
But you just have to ignore them.

post #22097 of 24880
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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post

To me that is the point, its not that i don't give a fuck, its just not possible to get it 100 percent correct this day and age without spending a fortune, and in my opinion misses the point anyway, a reason the whole hard mod/skin style began in the first place( from what ive read anyway) is because the more working class mods could not afford the expensive clothing the better off middle class peacock mods would wear, that is why they started wearing work boots, braces, jeans, button down shirts etc, and that's what i wear everyday.


Great intelligent post
post #22098 of 24880
Is it just me or has this thread become a bit staid and boring,
Yes it's all very nice and polite and every one wants to be friends and let's talk about clothes.
But let's be honest, I think we kind of know what was worn and what was not by now, you have gone round in circles often enough.
Skinheads were meant to be horrible trouble making, devil dogs.......
Where are the stories of aggro at football, with other gangs, shagging birds, doing dodgy little criminal dealings,
The kind of stuff you read about in Martin King or Chris Brown's books.

It's seems to be all talk from the Hyacinth Bouquets (Middle Class snobs ) of the Skinhead world haha!!!!..........they probably were Skinheads.........for all of 5 minutes!!!
Not seen any comments recently from that bloke who put a photo on here of his putty cat, very relevant, that was. haha!!!!
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i guess getting kicked out of 3 different pubs on the same night for being too pissed counts, being a little shit in general in my younger years causing aggro, fighting with track suited scallys, getting me arse handed to me at the same time, nothing to be proud of but you did not live either if you did not be a little turd when you were a teenager.


Edited by Donkey Jacket - 10/14/15 at 3:20pm
post #22100 of 24880
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


Whether the picture is 'original' or not, that helmet made to look like a Deerstalker definitely is. They were marketed in the 1960s. Everoak did one, and I think it's the same one as in your picture above:

AppleMark

I thought Kangol made one too, but I think I was mistaken about that.

I'm trying to figure out whether the guy in the photo below is wearing one. Difficult to say from that angle.

 

I believe he is wearing one or something rather similar. I have always liked that picture as it has some lovely scooters, in particular the GS with the chrome horn cover and mudguard. .

 

I also believe that deerstalkers were quite popular with Mods , back in the day. .

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These boots scream ''bovver'' to me, remind me of the old stories about safety boots being banned at footy matches, s31p engine mans boot.

 

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Originally Posted by con man View Post

Is it just me or has this thread become a bit staid and boring,
Yes it's all very nice and polite and every one wants to be friends and let's talk about clothes.
But let's be honest, I think we kind of know what was worn and what was not by now, you have gone round in circles often enough.
Skinheads were meant to be horrible trouble making, devil dogs.......
Where are the stories of aggro at football, with other gangs, shagging birds, doing dodgy little criminal dealings,
The kind of stuff you read about in Martin King or Chris Brown's books.
 
Speaking of Chris Brown, this is what he writes about Donkey jackets (a subject that has been touched numerous times here, and not only recently) in Booted and Suited (great book BTW):
The Donkey jacket had for years been worn by generations of British working men and, for that matter, a handful of skinheads back in 1970 who couldn't afford a genuine crombie or a sheepskin coat. It was no surprise therefore that this humble but durable and peculiarly British item of clothing should make a comeback in 1978, when it was worn as much as a badge to prove your working-class credentials as it was to keep out the vagaries of a British winter.
Everything on the subject is said in a few words.
Well this thread is not always so polite you know. But we're on Style Forum, so it's quite natural to speak mainly of clothes, otherwise we would be on Hooligan Forum :D.
 
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Getting back to clobber, what do you think of these boots, they remind me of the old docs, rufflander 94OR Safety boots, nice price as well at 54 quid

 

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Originally Posted by The Saint View Post
 

 

I believe he is wearing one or something rather similar. I have always liked that picture as it has some lovely scooters, in particular the GS with the chrome horn cover and mudguard. .

 

I also believe that deerstalkers were quite popular with Mods , back in the day. .

I think its a Sportique not a GS ;)

post #22105 of 24880
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Originally Posted by con man View Post


Where are the stories of aggro at football, with other gangs, shagging birds, doing dodgy little criminal dealings,
The kind of stuff you read about in Martin King or Chris Brown's books.

Well, apart from the fact that the whole 'styleforum' is... well... a style forum. biggrin.gif

As it happens, just yesterday I was thinking about one of our crowd from the Lewisham area. His name was Chris. I remember that he had a pair of brown jodhpur boots that he kept wearing after the rest of us had started buying brogues from the Squire shop in a big way, and he kept his red hair longer than us - otherwise he dressed like the rest of us, went to the same places, and so on. He said he kept his hair long so he could pick up French girls during the summer. According to what he told us, he would get off with one of them, take her down a dark alley (she would be protesting, "Why do we not go back to your apartment?" or something), get his end away, and while she was still recovering her composure he would snatch her handbag and run off.

I remember telling him I thought it was a cnutish trick. I don't know whether I believed him anyway, because with his longer, red hair he stuck out like a sore thumb if ever any of the French girls would have given a description to the police.
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Football / violence.

I never saw much of it on the terraces, and I began to wonder whether it wasn't another of these 'moral panics' in the media. We never had anything like Heysel. But yes it did happen. I can recall being at 'The Valley' with a bunch of lads about my own age who were 'away' supporters. A big charge and counter-charge was going on around us - home versus away mobs. The home supporters charged and we just stood there, buggered if we were going to move, and their mob just charged round us, chasing the younger kids who had run! I remember the leading Charlton kid had a bloody mouth and nose and was shouting all kinds of stuff at his rivals.

Off the terraces, I remember one of my mates coming into the bowling alley cafe in Lewisham and saying he and a few others were going up to a certain estate (in Eltham? I can't remember) to get even with some little firm up there, and was I in? I remember thinking what a fcuking waste of time, and how I had better things to do of an evening, but one thing you did not do was bottle out on your mates, so I agreed to come along. There were only about five of us, and I thought this was going to be a bloody disaster. But then two blokes turned up; they were probably no more than five years older than us, they weren't skinheads, but they looked really hard; both had boiler suits on or something like that, and looked about 40 to us. "We hear you've got a fight coming up," they said. "Mind if we join you?" Well of course we told them they were welcome (I thought to myself that I would much rather have these two psychos on our side than going and joining the other!). As it turned out, we went up the estate and it was as quiet as the grave, no one came out, a few milk bottles got smashed. So it was all a bit of a squib. I never found out who the two blokes were, but I guess it was best not to ask (one of the places we used to hang out was the scene of a Kray/Richardson murder, so you knew better than to act curious).

There was a strange kind of 'code of honour'. One bloke I knew - he was big and could handle himself - was wanted by a little mob who had some grudge against him. One day he and I and another bloke were sitting in the bowling alley cafe (again!) when word came they were outside - about half a dozen of them - and wanted to see him. Well, he insisted on going out to see them, knowing they wanted to give him a slapping, and he insisted we stayed inside and didn't get involved. Well he went outside, all six of them took a punch at him, and then shook his hand out of respect.
Edited by Man-of-Mystery - 10/15/15 at 10:12pm
post #22107 of 24880
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

Is it just me or has this thread become a bit staid and boring,
Yes it's all very nice and polite and every one wants to be friends and let's talk about clothes.
But let's be honest, I think we kind of know what was worn and what was not by now, you have gone round in circles often enough.
Skinheads were meant to be horrible trouble making, devil dogs.......
Where are the stories of aggro at football, with other gangs, shagging birds, doing dodgy little criminal dealings,
The kind of stuff you read about in Martin King or Chris Brown's books.

It's seems to be all talk from the Hyacinth Bouquets (Middle Class snobs ) of the Skinhead world haha!!!!..........they probably were Skinheads.........for all of 5 minutes!!!
Not seen any comments recently from that bloke who put a photo on here of his putty cat, very relevant, that was. haha!!!!

 

Interesting post con man. 

 

When I first joined this forum I did indeed post those very types of stories (particularly about football experiences) only to find that I got very little response from most people. In reality I find that many people only want to talk about  things as they see it and are dismissive of other people's experiences. It's as if some people have a fixed idea of how things were (or how they would have liked them to have been!) and don't like it when someone offers an alternative viewpoint. One of our former members who did enjoy my posts has withdrawn from the forum for that very reason and we now keep in touch and exchange memories and points of view via personal messages. I note that most of the other 'original' skinheads no longer post on here now either. This doesn't only apply to football stories, but also music and clothes - Iv'e even been told that I am wrong  (or "talking bollocks") on a couple of occasions, which is odd as I was skinhead in 1969, albeit it a young one and stayed with the style right through to suedehead until it petered out in our area in early 1972, so would have thought that my contributions would be as valid as anyone else's.

 

 

 I have to say though that I didn't really consider myself to be a horrible, trouble making devil dog! Most of us just enjoyed being there, trying to look the part and this occasionally lead to 'incidents'. For most of the people I knew at the time it was a challenge to get to watch your team play, look presentable, socialise at night, and have a decent record collection without spending 3 weeks wages on a pair of shoes or having made to measure clothes (in fact, no-one I knew at the time did these last 2 things).


Edited by roytonboy - 10/15/15 at 10:50am
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Incidentally, thanks to whoever recommended the film 'Paris Blues'. I finally got round to watching it on Youtube last week-end. Not exactly what I would describe as 'the ultimate mod movie' but I enjoyed it none-the-less.

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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post
 

 

To me that is the point, its not that i don't give a fuck, its just not possible to get it 100 percent correct this day and age without spending a fortune, and in my opinion misses the point anyway,

I think it's a good thing be familiar with the tradition and honour it. But there's no shame in not owning 100% 'authentic' gear, and much less in introducing your own little twists and variations, as long as they match the basic idea and spirit. Remember the styles worn by the original skins didn't fall upon them like manna from heaven, nor was their dress code ordained by god. For every piece of clothing that entered the skinhead world, whether Harringtons, Sta Prest, or indeed donkey jackets, some kid somewhere will have been the first to wear it. If it looked great and 'made sense', others followed his example, thus making it an acceptable item to wear.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm as keen on original gear as the next guy. When I finally got a pair of original 11 eye oxblood Astronauts, it was like birthday and Christmas at once, and on the whole, my style is probably closer to the originals than it is to the 1970s-80s revivalists. But I do respect the contribution the latter made (not all of it, it has to be said...), and I also think there's stuff that has always been ugly as sin. I think you mentioned the MA-1, which imho should have never been revived at all, 'authentic' or not. What's more, I have no problem wearing items that are historically inauthentic and were never worn by the originals, but that I believe match the spirit of it all. 

 

I'd compare it to playing an instrument. First one needs to figure out the basics and learn how to play some classic tunes. Once you've figured out how it all works, you can start improvising. But if you start with experimentation straight away, without having mastered the basics first, chances are the result is going to be a bit shit.


Edited by Bela Kun - 10/15/15 at 1:29pm
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Im not really what you would call a purist either, even though i consider myself to dress more like the original lot than the punk inspired 70s 80s skinheads.

 

And yeah about MA 1 jackets, never liked em never will, make you look fat for a start, are usually worn by boneheads, and are just uninspired today, when i see people wear them i just think clone skinhead, bonehead, or just someone who is a bit uninspired, cant mix things up a little.

 

Sheepskins, Harringtons, donkey jackets, denim jackets, look far more traditional and smarter.

 

I personally don't got over 8 eyelets on my boots, it makes me think of combat boots rather thank work boots, even though some originals did wear higher boots, to me the street style is meant to be you look smart but working class at the same. 

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