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post #22081 of 24884
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

The whole point of having ' the look ' was to show off your shoes that most people couldnt afford . £100 for a shirt in 2015 isnt that different from £5 for a shirt in 1970 is it ?   .. is it ? 

'wearing the cheaper stuff ' was certainly laughed at as well .

 

Im not sure , i wasn't around then obviously, i wear the stuff they wore back then now ( brutus, ben sherman, levis) etc, i also have the expensive solovair boots. even though work boots were worn back then at first, not exactly my definition of expensive footwear!. my point is stuff is a lot of the stuff back then was cheaper and better quality than it is now, and a lot of people don't have the money or time to buy these premium items, especially where i live.

 

If i was better off i would get these expensive items, but im not, and i haven't got a bad word off the old skins i talk to when im at the pub.

 

Its not like the original skins always wore the genuine article anyway, some wore fake sheepskins, Harringtons off the market etc, as evidenced by what some of the people have said in this thread, and in my opinion does not make them any less valid then anyone else

post #22082 of 24884
That's fair enough, my point is that saying that the price of something is "ridiculous" is exactly the same as someone saying that wearing a Relco shirt is not up to snuff..
Horses for courses and all. I certainly was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth (more like a used plastic one haha) but investing in quality clothing made ethically in a first world country is important to me. There is a middle ground of course, as previously stated, thrift/charity shops are often gold mines for cheap but well made goods. A solid, well made brooks Brothers shirt can be had for pennies and looks the shit. Just yesterday I found a cashmere made in Scotland, Pringle jumper for $7 in a Goodwill. Much better than an acrylic Ben Sherman jumper that will run you in excess of $85 new.
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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post

Im not sure , i wasn't around then obviously, i wear the stuff they wore back then now ( brutus, ben sherman, levis) etc, i also have the expensive solovair boots. even though work boots were worn back then at first, not exactly my definition of expensive footwear!. my point is stuff is a lot of the stuff back then was cheaper and better quality than it is now, and a lot of people don't have the money or time to buy these premium items, especially where i live.

If i was better off i would get these expensive items, but im not, and i haven't got a bad word off the old skins i talk to when im at the pub.

Its not like the original skins always wore the genuine article anyway, some wore fake sheepskins, Harringtons off the market etc, as evidenced by what some of the people have said in this thread, and in my opinion does not make them any less valid then anyone else
post #22083 of 24884
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Originally Posted by con man View Post


I tend to agree with you on this.......
To me it is not what you wear but how you wear it , if you carry yourself well, you can carry anything off
I have always said......
"some people can wear the most expensive gear in the world and look like a sack of shit "
" some people can wear a sack of shit, yet the look the dogs bollocks"

If you want decent looking shirts at a decent price that wash and iron well, try "Jump The Gun"
Good choice of plains, ginghams and some checks, prices £45- £50 and around a fiver for postage, from Brighton.

I say wear,
what you want and if anyone laughs, that is their problem, they obviously have issues and to laugh at someone, because they are wearing a cheaper brand and can't afford better, then they are nothing more than a sick individual.

Also did you ask in a early post whether, the original Skinheads wore donkey jackets?
I presume it was you, because of your profile name.

I of course cannot answer this question from first hand experience, I was only 3 years old in 1970.
But what I can is this......

There is a fellow, who goes to a few do's on the Traditional style Skinhead Scene,
He is an "Original" .....have seen photos of him in this period,
Anyway, at one event a couple of years or so ago, he had a donkey jacket on.
I asked him, that question, "did Skinheads in the early days wear them"? and he said that "they definitely did"

 

Thank you, you far better put what i was trying to put across than i ever could, and these jump the gun sound very reasonable indeed, i have looked at them in the past but i will definitely have another look.

 

To angryyoung poor, i may of been exaggerating a little bit when i said it was ridiculous, but it certainly is quite pricey for someone like me, and i agree with buying from 1st world countries, but a lot of the time this isn't viable if you haven't got much cash, and i agree charity shops can be a good source for bargains.

post #22084 of 24884

Christian Charity shops often have decent BD shirts for Cheap.I found a Ralph Lauren pinstripe BD for 1.50.

post #22085 of 24884
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

The truth is........
no one really gives a flying feck, whether one jacket looks like another or could be a design copy or whatever.
!

I don't think this or any other Forum regarding style would remain vibrant if that was to be the case.The whole look of the original Mod through Suedehead period as discussed here was based on the subtleties and details,so I would argue that there was a good chance anyone who was unable to interpret those latent pointers ,would indeed look like a "sack of shit"
Without getting in the whole MA-1 debate too much,the silhouette of the original Military issue jackets and Surfer jackets were a world apart and instantly recognized as completely different.Just as the cut/fit of later production/reproduction Harrington's have altered to satisfy current fashion trends.So you can wear a pr of 2015 501's and a slim Bill Gibson MA-1 and still miss the mark ( despite spending a lot of money !), if indeed that is the aim?
It's not for me or anyone to dictate what is right or wrong,but I believe it 's fair to express that opinion if someone is talking about a specific period and what was in fact worn and how.
You raise a valid point regarding" how" clothes are worn........
Some of the "Modern" cuts of older styles make it impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. Yrs ago .and that is assuming that you even care/understand the differences?
Just listed to Eno -The John Peel Lectures ,where he talks about Culture and touches on individual style and choices.Thought provoking and worth a look.(if anyone gives a fuck? )
post #22086 of 24884

I guess there must be only a certain amount of 'original' photos going around as this CD cover of skinhead reggae features Australian 'sharpies' who had some connections to skinheads but never listened to reggae but rather preferred heavy rock...

 

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Edited by Soul Vision - 10/14/15 at 2:01am
post #22087 of 24884

Some great reminiscing from an old mod - I didn't realise the club scene was so strong so early in the decade...sounds like for him it was all over by 64...

 

"I was an early face, 1961/62 Roaring Twenties Carnaby Street- always getting raided, then 62/63/64 loads of great coffee bars and then went between the triangle of the Wardour St Disco, The Scene, and finished up always at the Flamingo and after ( dawn Sunday morning) walked down Fleet Street to the printers café for breakfast, then down to Peticoat Lane and " sat on the wall" by the record stall all Sunday morning....later home & change back to London for Lyceum Sunday night.. Weekend in Soho  Friday night to Sunday night. Mid week was  local south London clubs from Woolwich to Peckham , Lewisham, and Greenwich with just one or two nights mid week in Soho. Fantastic atmosphere of those days...we were all lucky to have been there. The music, the clothes and the birds and great laughs with loads of mates...all good south London boys...but .when the little mods found the places, we moved out and on, and got old I suppose...but still got all the vinyl .....and still play the music."

post #22088 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post



Some of the "Modern" cuts of older styles make it impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. Yrs ago 

 

To me that is the point, its not that i don't give a fuck, its just not possible to get it 100 percent correct this day and age without spending a fortune, and in my opinion misses the point anyway, a reason the whole hard mod/skin style began in the first place( from what ive read anyway) is because the more working class mods could not afford the expensive clothing the better off middle class peacock mods would wear, that is why they started wearing work boots, braces, jeans, button down shirts etc, and that's what i wear everyday.

post #22089 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I'm going to have my last say on the subject, and then I'm going to shut up.

The waist-length, zippered blouson is a garment with a long history in America. It has appeared in hundred of sub-designs and in hundreds of fabrics. This is not disputed.

What we're being asked to consider is one of two scenarios.

1. That some time in the mid-1960s, someone in England said, "I know, let's take the MA-1 and copy it. Only with different fabric, different colour, no lining, no storm flap, and no pockets on the sleeves."

or

2. Someone in America said "Hey, you know that jacket the mods wear in Blackpool? Let's copy it, only in a different fabric and color, give it a lining and a storm flap and pockets on the sleeves, and give it to our pilots."

Now, all I have ever being saying is that 1. is possible but highly improbable, given the number of other zipper jackets that existed and could have influenced it (not least the surf jackets on the sleeve of the Beach Boys LP) and 2. never happened. Also I have been reporting what I saw: that the 1967 single-skin surfer was replaced in the NW of England by the Levi jacket, and that the winter of 69/70 vogue for MA-1s in SE London seemed to happen because of the arrival of those jackets in surplus shops, and that a direct connection between the two, somehow, is improbable enough to be discounted.

And somehow that's 'ego' and someone else banging on to the contrary, against the evidence, isn't? Do me a favour!

Okay, I'm done.

Think I need to point out that you are misunderstanding, or even misrepresenting, what I said. Frankly, I am a bit puzzled.
post #22090 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Soul Vision View Post

Some great reminiscing from an old mod - I didn't realise the club scene was so strong so early in the decade...sounds like for him it was all over by 64...

"I was an early face, 1961/62 Roaring Twenties Carnaby Street- always getting raided, then 62/63/64 loads of great coffee bars and then went between the triangle of the Wardour St Disco, The Scene, and finished up always at the Flamingo and after ( dawn Sunday morning) walked down Fleet Street to the printers café for breakfast, then down to Peticoat Lane and " sat on the wall" by the record stall all Sunday morning....later home & change back to London for Lyceum Sunday night.. Weekend in Soho  Friday night to Sunday night. Mid week was  local south London clubs from Woolwich to Peckham , Lewisham, and Greenwich with just one or two nights mid week in Soho. Fantastic atmosphere of those days...we were all lucky to have been there. The music, the clothes and the birds and great laughs with loads of mates...all good south London boys...but .when the little mods found the places, we moved out and on, and got old I suppose...but still got all the vinyl .....and still play the music."

For some of the original Mods it was over by '62 when the national press followed the Town magazine article and the scene started to go overground and with John Stephens taking over ever more shops on Carnaby Street. There was an interesting, almost undocumented transition of self-identified stylists, individualists and those who just merged into the Soho jazz scene. It was never one scene but a continual evolution and renewable for about a decade.
post #22091 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Ivyskin89 View Post
 

Nik Louis fall tartans are here.

 

100% Cotton Japanese HBT

Life time guarantee 

Made In USA

Free international shipping

Complimentary alterations

150 USD

Limited edition

 

 

 

 

None of those patterns are tartan , checked yes , tartan ,no . At around £97 a pop I'm out anyway for despite free shipping , one would still be hammered by import duty. .

 

 

For a quality casual shirt , around £60 would be tops for me .

 

The lifetime guarantee is a new one on a garment and I suspect that is why the cost of the shirt would be expensive. .

post #22092 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Donkey Jacket View Post
 

 

Im not sure , i wasn't around then obviously, i wear the stuff they wore back then now ( brutus, ben sherman, levis) etc, i also have the expensive solovair boots. even though work boots were worn back then at first, not exactly my definition of expensive footwear!. my point is stuff is a lot of the stuff back then was cheaper and better quality than it is now, and a lot of people don't have the money or time to buy these premium items, especially where i live.

 

If i was better off i would get these expensive items, but im not, and i haven't got a bad word off the old skins i talk to when im at the pub.

 

Its not like the original skins always wore the genuine article anyway, some wore fake sheepskins, Harringtons off the market etc, as evidenced by what some of the people have said in this thread, and in my opinion does not make them any less valid then anyone else

Ben Shermans in 1969 were expensive mate .. most kids or adults couldnt afford Levi jeans -  coming from Nothing but looking a million pounds remains the working class londoners way of sticking 2 fingers up,

post #22093 of 24884
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post


I don't think this or any other Forum regarding style would remain vibrant if that was to be the case.The whole look of the original Mod through Suedehead period as discussed here was based on the subtleties and details,so I would argue that there was a good chance anyone who was unable to interpret those latent pointers ,would indeed look like a "sack of shit"
Without getting in the whole MA-1 debate too much,the silhouette of the original Military issue jackets and Surfer jackets were a world apart and instantly recognized as completely different.Just as the cut/fit of later production/reproduction Harrington's have altered to satisfy current fashion trends.So you can wear a pr of 2015 501's and a slim Bill Gibson MA-1 and still miss the mark ( despite spending a lot of money !), if indeed that is the aim?
It's not for me or anyone to dictate what is right or wrong,but I believe it 's fair to express that opinion if someone is talking about a specific period and what was in fact worn and how.
You raise a valid point regarding" how" clothes are worn........
Some of the "Modern" cuts of older styles make it impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. Yrs ago .and that is assuming that you even care/understand the differences?
Just listed to Eno -The John Peel Lectures ,where he talks about Culture and touches on individual style and choices.Thought provoking and worth a look.(if anyone gives a fuck? )

 

Some interesting points . I like the bit about impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. .  it wouldn't be that easy but you can still get surplus MA-1's that date back to the 50's and 60's which would belong to that time frame we are talking about . Most of the other stuff would be a challenge and you'd need to use ebay or second hand shops to obtain a BS, for instance, that was authentic. .

However , the jeans could be the biggest challenge as any secondhand jeans from that period would likely be trashed by now and Levis , for instance are now nothing like what we got in the late 6t's early 7t's . I know that we can get brand new "vintage" Levis for around £250 but they still aren't the same and it defeats the original purpose. .

 

I have seen original Hawkins Astronauts on ebay still in the box(deadstock?) , so maybe there is hope tho' that particular pair were not my size. .:satisfied:

 

 

Of course , back in the day , guys my age wouldn't be dressed like that in the first place. .:happy: 

post #22094 of 24884
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Originally Posted by The Saint View Post

Some interesting points . I like the bit about impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. .  it wouldn't be that easy but you can still get surplus MA-1's that date back to the 50's and 60's which would belong to that time frame we are talking about .

I meant by a kid today going out and buying modern equivalent items,not dead stock or vintage.impossible is of course an exageration,but highly unlikely.
My recollection is that By the time the MA-1 got noticed beyond Watford -it was over,and hence they were not really adopted universally.that and their scarcity.
I only ever saw green surplus worn,so I suppose that fueled the desire for them when repros appeared 10 years or so later in every color.and they were everywhere.
post #22095 of 24884
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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

Ben Shermans in 1969 were expensive mate .. most kids or adults couldnt afford Levi jeans -  coming from Nothing but looking a million pounds remains the working class londoners way of sticking 2 fingers up,

 

im not a working class Londoner mate so attitudes may be a bit different down there, im what a lot southerners would call a scruffy northern bastard lol, i think i look the dogs bollocks with my donkey jacket, plain white ben sherman or check brutus, black braces, levis and 8 hole oxblood solovairs, i look alot smarter than baseball cap, trackies, and hoodies which is considered ''stylish'' by a lot of people around my end today. i guess we dont think that differently after all.

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