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post #22051 of 24903
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

The thing is, the plain monkey/surfer was a garment that totally disappeared, it was never revived, not by revival mods, revival skinheads, no one. It simply vanished off the face of the planet in about 1968. That's why I don't think it could have been any influence at all on the replica MA-1.

For one thing, there already was a replica MA-1 going round just after the brief appearance of the batch of surplus originals (winter 69/70). It was in a different fabric altogether, and no one much wore them.

No, I think you're making a connection that just isn't there. Sorry.

This is the Gospel according to Man of Mystery haha!!!!

Seriously, how can you make such a sweeping statement, you must be the font of all knowledge, regarding these particular jackets, you can honestly say the these jackets .......completely disappeared from the face of world....... actually everywhere in the world from 1968 onwards?

Your actual knowledge of this statistic is amazing,
where did you get this Information, Wickipedia haha!!!!

You seriously need to get down of your high horse, your highness,

Tell you what........ if your statement, turned out to be proven correct, I would apologise and doff my cap to you.

Somehow though, I don't think it's true.

I just think it's arrogant and think your ego has got the better of you.
Edited by con man - 10/12/15 at 12:18pm
post #22052 of 24903
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Originally Posted by con man View Post


I thought the same thing when I saw this photo,

I know what you are saying

In the late 70's and early 80's, there were cheap imitation MA-1 jackets,
I know because I was there 
And I had one, they were thin, not as blouson as the MA-1 and had no lining, mainly in green but did see them in navy blue,
But one key factor! They did have the upper arm pockets,
They were shiny nylon, that's not to say they didn't do them in a matte finish, I just never saw one.

And I agree, I can see a correlation, between the MA-1 and Monkey jacket and who is to say, if one design didn't copy or take
Ideas off the other, only the original designers of each garment, will know that!

 

I remember the 80s cheap Imitation MA-1s

The one on the right is an imitation for sure (the one in the center too, most probably). You can tell as it's thin and there is no storm flap under the zipper.

The one on the left is probably an imitation too, but a bit closer to the real thing (i had one like that !), bulkier than the other imitations.

post #22053 of 24903
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

I remember the 80s cheap Imitation MA-1s


The one on the right is an imitation for sure (the one in the center too, most probably). You can tell as it's thin and there is no storm flap under the zipper.
The one on the left is probably an imitation too, but a bit closer to the real thing (i had one like that !), bulkier than the other imitations.
Great find Clouseau
Those are the ones, I'm talking about, they were cheap and nasty and very lightweight , but looking at them now, they actually don't look that bad, well not in that photo,
where did you get this photo? Looks like my house behind them, haha!!
saying that, all 1950's built council houses look the same
And if you didn't know better and without the arm on the pocket, the one on the right especially, could be passed off as a Monkey jacket
post #22054 of 24903
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Originally Posted by con man View Post


Great find Clouseau
Those are the ones, I'm talking about, they were cheap and nasty and very lightweight , but looking at them now, they actually don't look that bad, well not in that photo,
where did you get this photo? Looks like my house behind them, haha!!
saying that, all 1950's built council houses look the same
And if you didn't know better and without the arm on the pocket, the one on the right especially, could be passed off as a Monkey jacket

Found it here:

 

http://revolverproject.com/journal/journal/vintage-style-fred-perry-through-the-ages/

 

Well they don't look that bad only in photo !

 

I still remember when i had my first 'real' one. I was a big boy at last !

post #22055 of 24903
And also, you are quite correct , one detail I forgot about.......
They didn't have the storm flap under the zip, again making it look like a Monkey Jacket/ MA-1 hybrid
post #22056 of 24903

Nik Louis fall tartans are here.

 

100% Cotton Japanese HBT

Life time guarantee 

Made In USA

Free international shipping

Complimentary alterations

150 USD

Limited edition

 

 

 


Edited by Ivyskin89 - 10/12/15 at 2:30pm
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post #22058 of 24903

$150 dollars for a shirt, that is just absolutely ridiculous.

 

Same with the mikkel rude shirts, great way to price out the average working joe, no wonder people buy the cheaper stuff.

post #22059 of 24903
Nice shirts Nick!

Some people don't mind paying more for limited runs of quality product. Being a skinhead (or an ex skinhead) does not mean one is impoverished and as far as I'm concerned "oneupsmanship" is a big part of being involved with almost any subculture.
post #22060 of 24903
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Originally Posted by AngryYoungPoor View Post

Nice shirts Nick!

Some people don't mind paying more for limited runs of quality product. Being a skinhead (or an ex skinhead) does not mean one is impoverished and as far as I'm concerned "oneupsmanship" is a big part of being involved with almost any subculture.

Thanks for your support! No one sees how much time and money is involved to produce these just right. Not to mention making shirts in the USA or UK is a lot more expensive than manufacturing in Asia where most brands do. We try to use the most high quality fabrics while still trying to keep the price fair. We also offer made to measure at the same price.

post #22061 of 24903
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Originally Posted by con man View Post

This is the Gospel according to Man of Mystery haha!!!!

Seriously, how can you make such a sweeping statement, you must be the font of all knowledge, regarding these particular jackets, you can honestly say the these jackets .......completely disappeared from the face of world....... actually everywhere in the world from 1968 onwards?

Your actual knowledge of this statistic is amazing,
where did you get this Information, Wickipedia haha!!!!

You seriously need to get down of your high horse, your highness,

Tell you what........ if your statement, turned out to be proven correct, I would apologise and doff my cap to you.

Somehow though, I don't think it's true.

I just think it's arrogant and think your ego has got the better of you.

Ego shmego. I told it like I remember it, which is all I can do, and someone else has been harping on about it. Back off.
post #22062 of 24903
I'm going to have my last say on the subject, and then I'm going to shut up.

The waist-length, zippered blouson is a garment with a long history in America. It has appeared in hundred of sub-designs and in hundreds of fabrics. This is not disputed.

What we're being asked to consider is one of two scenarios.

1. That some time in the mid-1960s, someone in England said, "I know, let's take the MA-1 and copy it. Only with different fabric, different colour, no lining, no storm flap, and no pockets on the sleeves."

or

2. Someone in America said "Hey, you know that jacket the mods wear in Blackpool? Let's copy it, only in a different fabric and color, give it a lining and a storm flap and pockets on the sleeves, and give it to our pilots."

Now, all I have ever being saying is that 1. is possible but highly improbable, given the number of other zipper jackets that existed and could have influenced it (not least the surf jackets on the sleeve of the Beach Boys LP) and 2. never happened. Also I have been reporting what I saw: that the 1967 single-skin surfer was replaced in the NW of England by the Levi jacket, and that the winter of 69/70 vogue for MA-1s in SE London seemed to happen because of the arrival of those jackets in surplus shops, and that a direct connection between the two, somehow, is improbable enough to be discounted.

And somehow that's 'ego' and someone else banging on to the contrary, against the evidence, isn't? Do me a favour!

Okay, I'm done.
post #22063 of 24903
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Originally Posted by AngryYoungPoor View Post

Nice shirts Nick!

Some people don't mind paying more for limited runs of quality product. Being a skinhead (or an ex skinhead) does not mean one is impoverished and as far as I'm concerned "oneupsmanship" is a big part of being involved with almost any subculture.

 

i get what you mean mate, i would probably buy one of the shirts myself if i could afford one, but alot of people like me cannot and have to rely on cheaper stuff sometime, not all my stuff is cheap, all my jeans are levi 501s with turnups sewn in and i own a couple of Ben shermans, and my boots are solovair because its always better buying good quality boots, but alot of my shirts are of the cheaper relco and brutus variety( and even those are getting more expensive) and they look the part anyway, most people on the streets would not realize, ive had ex skins coming up to me in the street saying they like my ben sherman when its been a cheapo relco shirt, alot of the skinheads in the late 60s did not wear original brands either, a good example is Harrington jackets, mine itself was 20 quid i got off an asian bloke off doncaster market.

 

You might not agree but alot of the what in my opinion snobbishness does alot more harm then good to a working class subculture like skinhead, its young working class people who will keep subculture alive at the end of the day. 

post #22064 of 24903
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I'm going to have my last say on the subject, and then I'm going to shut up.

The waist-length, zippered blouson is a garment with a long history in America. It has appeared in hundred of sub-designs and in hundreds of fabrics. This is not disputed.

What we're being asked to consider is one of two scenarios.

1. That some time in the mid-1960s, someone in England said, "I know, let's take the MA-1 and copy it. Only with different fabric, different colour, no lining, no storm flap, and no pockets on the sleeves."

or

2. Someone in America said "Hey, you know that jacket the mods wear in Blackpool? Let's copy it, only in a different fabric and color, give it a lining and a storm flap and pockets on the sleeves, and give it to our pilots."

Now, all I have ever being saying is that 1. is possible but highly improbable, given the number of other zipper jackets that existed and could have influenced it (not least the surf jackets on the sleeve of the Beach Boys LP) and 2. never happened. Also I have been reporting what I saw: that the 1967 single-skin surfer was replaced in the NW of England by the Levi jacket, and that the winter of 69/70 vogue for MA-1s in SE London seemed to happen because of the arrival of those jackets in surplus shops, and that a direct connection between the two, somehow, is improbable enough to be discounted.

And somehow that's 'ego' and someone else banging on to the contrary, against the evidence, isn't? Do me a favour!

Okay, I'm done.


What you are essentially saying is americans have about atleast 10 times as many combinations of many such similar jackets?

post #22065 of 24903

I sure wish you could delete posts!

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