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yankmod said:

It's unfortunate you don't understand my motivation.If this conversation descends into "Who's cool and who is not"I'm afraid your all gonna lose that fight.I'm tryin to be supportive.

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You two - stop tying a knot with your tongues you can't undo with your teeth!

I suspect one of you doesn't realise the other is pulling his leg a bit, by the way.

Yes, it is a case of 'If I had to explain you wouldn't understand' in a way. There are style details which differ from the classic Harrington - notably the patch pockets. Back in the day we had an eye for detail, and although a certain amount of face-ism (can't think of a better word offhand) was tolerable, something that different in style would, I believe, have been looked on as lacking in style. Also that kind of loud check wouldn't have appealed. To be honest I didn't like P-o-W check Harringtons at the time either.

The Harrington was always a very cool, very precise piece of kit. The plain colour, the pocket flaps, the collar, the rear yoke - all precisely styled.



Man-of-Mystery said:

You two - stop tying a knot with your tongues you can't undo with your teeth!
I suspect one of you doesn't realise the other is pulling his leg a bit, by the way.
Yes, it is a case of 'If I had to explain you wouldn't understand' in a way. There are style details which differ from the classic Harrington - notably the patch pockets. Back in the day we had an eye for detail, and although a certain amount of face-ism (can't think of a better word offhand) was tolerable, something that different in style would, I believe, have been looked on as lacking in style. Also that kind of loud check wouldn't have appealed. To be honest I didn't like P-o-W check Harringtons at the time either.
The Harrington was always a very cool, very precise piece of kit. The plain colour, the pocket flaps, the collar, the rear yoke - all precisely styled.

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Well put - 'neat and tidy' was the order of the day, IMHO.

Pressure_Drop said:

Hmmm, let's have a look at that jacket again...

Yep, you're right... you play the fool. Chief.

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+1 can't be arsed with all this 'I'm an instigator' bollocks either

Roy - was talking to a chap at the weekend who was on about an old Chelsea face called Bill Finney I think? Ring any bells?

I recall posting some of this article, some months ago but IIRC, not all of it.

International Times - 1969.

http://archive.org/stream/Internati...-09-26_B-IT-Volume-1_Iss-65#page/n11/mode/1up

Apologies if I've got it wrong but can't be arsed trawling back through all of the cack I have posted.

If you use the link, it takes you to many copies of this hippy-esque publication but, from what i see, most of it was about either shagging, or music that might get you your leg over. And drugs.

Some bizarre small ads, too.

Man-of-Mystery said:

You two - stop tying a knot with your tongues you can't undo with your teeth!

I suspect one of you doesn't realise the other is pulling his leg a bit, by the way.
Yes, it is a case of 'If I had to explain you wouldn't understand' in a way. There are style details which differ from the classic Harrington - notably the patch pockets. Back in the day we had an eye for detail, and although a certain amount of face-ism (can't think of a better word offhand) was tolerable, something that different in style would, I believe, have been looked on as lacking in style. Also that kind of loud check wouldn't have appealed. To be honest I didn't like P-o-W check Harringtons at the time either.
The Harrington was always a very cool, very precise piece of kit. The plain colour, the pocket flaps, the collar, the rear yoke - all precisely styled.

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Exactly right



Ed Vaughan said:

I recall posting some of this article, some months ago but IIRC, not all of it.
International Times - 1969.
http://archive.org/stream/Internati...-09-26_B-IT-Volume-1_Iss-65#page/n11/mode/1up
Apologies if I've got it wrong but can't be arsed trawling back through all of the cack I have posted.
If you use the link, it takes you to many copies of this hippy-esque publication but, from what i see, most of it was about either shagging, or music that might get you your leg over. And drugs.
Some bizarre small ads, too.

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A typical"head up their a*r*e" hippy crap-of the 60s.So bloody condescending.Thankfully, not all of them were like that....

heads up on a very decent' Crombie ' coat in Uniqlo at £99 ..

yankmod said:

Question Fellas.The Yids Army,Spurs Crew.I read somewhere that they started as a skinhead crew(and use to get a lot of anti semetic greif,thus the name) Is this true and what did you guys think of a Jewish Skinhead crew?The Yid Army claims to be the crew that exported Bovver to Europe as they were the first in Holland 74' McDermott,Nice one thanks for dat.Davichan,ever hang at Coney Island High back when?My friend Sean Oliver use to play there.Exuse the dyslexia.

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Theres a famous 1960's Skinhead Chelsea song still sung in the pubs ..
" All the yids you should have seen em running
running down the fulham rd they saw the Chelsea coming
Big Jim , sammy skyves you should have seen there faces
when they saw the chelsea boys
in there boots n braces "
Spurs were always fairly multi racial - there leader sammy Skyves ( or skyes ? ) was black and the Yid insult just that they did not have any jewish hooligans at all .

Yid Army is a recent (90s) term used by Spurs support generally and is the name of one of the Spurs firms since that time. Spurs UEFA cup win in 1972 against Feyenoord (Dutch side) kicked off and Spurs trashed the place (with one spurs fan getting shot dead by a local shopkeeper).

This riot, seen live TV all over Europe is where the idea that Spurs exported football violence comes from. Spurs main mob in the skinhead era was (I think) led by Frankie Parrish and Sammy Skys who (I think) were skins at the time. There was no jewish mob. Dont think there ever has been at Spurs.

Author Hunter Davies wrote a great book 'the Glory Game' (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Glory-Game-British-Football-Mainstream/dp/1840182423) that followed the Spurs side of 1970-71 from inside the dreassing room - it's an amazing portrait of life in a first division football club at the turn of the '70s and would appeal to fans of most teams I think, annoyingly I cant find my copy right now but there's a chapter on supporters that has Spurs going up to Manchester or Liverpool with the team on the same train in 1st class. As Spurs steamed out onto the platform, Alan Gilzean ('Gilly' - a slaphead rather than a skinhead and a Spurs legend) leaned out of the window grinning and shouted 'Go on lads! Smash up the town!'.

Wouldn't happen these days.....

Edit: My typing this crossed over with FlyFronteds post - we both agree that there was no 'Jewish' mob, certainly not a 'Jewish skinhead mob' and that Sammy (who is still around) was a main person at spurs. The rest of his post.....well....
Chelsea say a lot of things

I'm ashamed to see that I am a Senior Member now.1.because I am a Yank and not a skinhead(I believe Skinheads are the Original Brits in the late 60's early 70's,and thats it.No one else.)and 2.I subscribe to Groucho Marx's old ditty"I wouldn't want to belong to a club(group)that would have me as a member." The plaid jacket I posted was the only vintage photo of this style of jacket I could find(it was popular in the Ivy League,preppys in the US early 60's).This example has not only seen much better days but is a poor example asthetically.The pockets on the outside all wrong.The collar to large and pointy and the red lining is atrocious.The versions I had were a little different.I had one that had a Harrington cut.Square collar etc.The reason I posted it wasn't cause I thought yooz would like it(I was playin the fool)I was looking for criticism from yooz(which you eventually provided thanks)I was doing the same thing with the "Country Gents" (Eds words)Harrington.I knew you wouldn't like it.The important thing in Eds response was the comment that yooz was "Urban warriors" That leads me to my next question. We know skinheads began in Inner city London.Was this always the case.Was it only city blokes involved?Were there Suburban crews or even rural crews as well? Thanks for the comments about the Yids Army.I saw an interview with the head of the spurs crew.He said they hated bein called Yids(as you would expect)and adopted the word , much in the way African Americans apropriated the word *****(with an A.I would never and have never used that other deeply offensive word) I'm a man of peace.I am not a street fightin man.I'm a bohemian,dreamin,dreamin my days away.Are there any perks to bein a senior member?A special hat or large medallion possibly?TA

Yankmod,there is no special Hats or a Medallion-just more Flak,when you become a "Senior Member"!!!!!!!



flyfronted said:

Theres a famous 1960's Skinhead Chelsea song still sung in the pubs .. 
" All the yids you should have seen em running
running down the fulham rd they saw the Chelsea coming 
Big Jim , sammy skyves you should have seen there faces 
when they saw the chelsea boys 
in there boots n braces "
Spurs were always fairly multi racial - there leader sammy Skyves ( or skyes ? ) was black and the Yid insult just that they did not have any jewish hooligans at all .

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Spot on with that song mate, Sammy S is still around.. he was one of the leaders and a very tuff character. Chelsea have a long history of hatred towards Spurs, also Leeds.

When Abramovich sacked Jos'e Mourinho, The Chelsea fans was chanting we hate Tottenham..we hate Tottenham, Abramovich was reported as saying why are they chanting we hate Tottenham, But we are not playing Tottenham today.
Work that one out,

To be really classed as "Special" on here, you need to gain "Senior Citizen" Status, isn't that right Brownie

Sorry Couldn't Resist

A little bit of footage i found hidden on the BBC archives, it was orginally titled Skinhead and Greasers.

browniecj said:

Yankmod,there is no special Hats or a Medallion-just more Flak,when you become a "Senior Member"!!!!!!!

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Good one browniecj.Good to know."Senior Member" Gramps? I guess we all succumb to that time passing con-undrom someday.Puts me in mind of the Jonathan Richman song "Dignified and Old"