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 Another great post , roytonboy.Fantastic pictures there too , liked the girl in the sheepskin jacket and the guys standing outside a football ground would have looked like young Mods if you were only able to see their heads. .

 

Thanks Saint, though I can take no credit for the photo's - I lifted them all from the gallery on this site!

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Not sure if marketplace posts are allowed here or not but I wanted to let the forum know I am getting rid of some of my surplus Fred Perry gear and some Docs. I have too many polos to wear so these are the ones that never get worn! All gear is legit and purchased from Fred Perry in Munich.

 

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Cheers,

 

Heyska

post #18618 of 18914
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

Wow! To think we are from less than 10 miles apart as the stone flies and spent our Saturday afternoons at exactly the same place at the same time!!! (I'm presuming that you stood on the North Stand season 1971/72 - exactly the period we're talking about)

Indeed, roytonboy. Local variations could be very local - and I think your ripples in a pond analogy is a good one. North Stand 71/72 - yep. IIRC it was a standing terrace just for that season. I seem to remember that at first home game of the season, the Kippax was the usual place to be and the North Stand was pretty empty but before kick-off there was a spontaneous mass rush from the Kippax, swarming into the new stand. And that was the place to be for the rest of the season. They put seating in the summer of 72 so then it was back to the Kippax. (Apologies to rest of forum for off-topic digression.)
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Thanks Saint, though I can take no credit for the photo's - I lifted them all from the gallery on this site!

Great post and sketches in a bit more of the picture on regional timelines / variations.

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I'll leave this here without comment:

http://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/21347/1/the-skinhead-revolution-is-coming

 

I think the MA-1 jacket is very 8ts, I don't recall skinheads wearing it before then and usually the non original ones look the worst , especially in colours that they never used for the original. .

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Indeed, roytonboy. Local variations could be very local - and I think your ripples in a pond analogy is a good one. North Stand 71/72 - yep. IIRC it was a standing terrace just for that season. I seem to remember that at first home game of the season, the Kippax was the usual place to be and the North Stand was pretty empty but before kick-off there was a spontaneous mass rush from the Kippax, swarming into the new stand. And that was the place to be for the rest of the season. They put seating in the summer of 72 so then it was back to the Kippax. (Apologies to rest of forum for off-topic digression.)

 

Sounds like a wee discussion about Elland Rd , aye?

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Sounds like a wee discussion about Elland Rd , aye?

A bit further west, Saint, on the "right" side of the Pennines wink.gif - Maine Road, Manchester. (Kippax is in Yorkshire but Kippax Street - and the terrace with the same name that I mentioned - was firmly in Manchester.
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A bit further west, Saint, on the "right" side of the Pennines wink.gif - Maine Road, Manchester. (Kippax is in Yorkshire but Kippax Street - and the terrace with the same name that I mentioned - was firmly in Manchester.

 

Ah , City . .

 

The team I support have some of your players. .:cheers:

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I think the MA-1 jacket is very 8ts, I don't recall skinheads wearing it before then and usually the non original ones look the worst , especially in colours that they never used for the original. .


The MA-1 has been discussed in this forum ad nauseum, and it was determined that while not widespread, they were worn by some originals in some parts of the country.
A real-deal MA-1 with the wool pile lining in the original sage green is a thing of beauty and is a far cry from the '82 glue-huffer uniform of amorphous shape and dodgy coloring. biggrin.gif

Having said all that, the Brutus/Edwin/Alpha link in question is, well... questionable...
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Originally Posted by Botolph View Post

The MA-1 has been discussed in this forum ad nauseum, and it was determined that while not widespread, they were worn by some originals in some parts of the country.
A real-deal MA-1 with the wool pile lining in the original sage green is a thing of beauty and is a far cry from the '82 glue-huffer uniform of amorphous shape and dodgy coloring. biggrin.gif

Having said all that, the Brutus/Edwin/Alpha link in question is, well... questionable...

Indeed mate . Never saw one back in the day , that I can recall , I reckon I first saw one around 1979. .
Personally I have one that was made in 1962 by the Skyline company . It has the woodpile that you mention and subsequently is very warm. It also had a military badge holder on it when I got it , which was subsequently removed. .

I'm aware of the cheap copies you mention most of them are a travesty of the original in stupid colours almost as bad as some of the knock off m51's that one sees . TBF though even items that have seen continuous manufacture since the original period , are nowhere near the quality they were. .angry.gif
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Originally Posted by kicksinstyle View Post

I'll leave this here without comment:
http://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/21347/1/the-skinhead-revolution-is-coming

Embarrassing. That voice over.........baldy[1].gif
post #18627 of 18914
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One thing I was reminded of during the show , was the number of people who smoked back in the day compared to nowadays . It reminds one that today smoking is a much more of an underground activity than say , being a Mod was in 1964'ish Britian was . .

 

Supposed 1970. No idea of copyright.

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Indeed mate . Never saw one back in the day , that I can recall , I reckon I first saw one around 1979. .
Personally I have one that was made in 1962 by the Skyline company . It has the woodpile that you mention and subsequently is very warm. It also had a military badge holder on it when I got it , which was subsequently removed. .

I'm aware of the cheap copies you mention most of them are a travesty of the original in stupid colours almost as bad as some of the knock off m51's that one sees . TBF though even items that have seen continuous manufacture since the original period , are nowhere near the quality they were. .angry.gif

The MA1 became popular from about 78 in London as a Soul Boy thing ( the great gear market down the kings rd  started selling them ) . It spread to the Football lot and was seen as a ' london football lad  thing ' , you would see hundreds of pre casual ' cockneys ' marching through Northern towns in em  . The Boneheads hijacked it off the football lot and went from cool Americana to Gloo sniffers wear in a few short years . 

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It always seems to be the youngsters joining in who use the labels.

 

I think that this comment and those of Browniecj are very accurate. As a 14 year old I aspired to be a skinhead, I knew the term and looked up to those older lads with that style. Later,  I just evolved into what others recognised as a suedehead and don't think I ever said, "I am a suedehead",  though I have no doubt that others, aspiring to that look would. (It was never necessary to say, "I am a skinhead", it was self evident). The term suedehead was never that widely used, in any case. It was quite common for a gang to be known as 'Crossley Skins' , or wherever they were from, but I never heard of a gang called "Anytown Suedeheads", if you know what I mean. Similarly, the word was not used in any graffiti I saw.The term was in use for a period of less than twelve months, the Suedehead 'style' (at least as I recognise it) was seen for about half that. 

 

In terms of labels, this forum has demonstrated in the last week or so that they can have slightly different meanings, even to us. I think a lot of us have a pretty fixed Idea of what we mean by 'Mod', but if we consider 'Mod' to have existed from 1963 until 1967 and recognise that it was a constantly and rapidly changing look then our view would be a very narrow one and one not necessarily shared by those who actually were mods in, say 1964 or 1966. I see some photos and video clips (the early Who  performance in a pub, for instance,) in which quite a number featured don't fit my idea of Mod at all - some have quiffs! My sister is 7 years older than me and therefore was 16 in 1964. I asked her recently if she had been a mod and she enthusiastically said, "Oh yes, how I wanted..." she then started to list several items of clothing, including knee boots and other stuff that she'd had to save up and buy. Not the sort of clothes I was expecting at all. I recall her in ski pants and a suede jacket and that's how I remember her as a mod. When I told her this, she said, "Fancy you remembering that, I had forgotten I wore those." I have read on a couple of occasions that the original mods never referred to themselves as mods and most distanced themselves or 'moved on' when the term became widely used following the sea side disturbances in early 1964.


Edited by roytonboy - 9/1/14 at 7:14am
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

 

I think that this comment (and those of Browniecj) are very accurate. As a 14 year old I aspired to be a skinhead, I knew the term and looked up to those older lads with that style. Later,  I just evolved into what others recognised as a suedehead and don't think I ever said, "I am a suedehead",  though I have no doubt that others, aspiring to that look would. (It was never necessary to say, "I am a skinhead", it was self evident). The term suedehead was never that widely used, in any case. It was quite common for a gang to be known as 'Crossley Skins' , or wherever they were from, but I never heard of a gang called "Anytown Suedeheads". The term was in use for a period of less than twelve months, the Suedehead 'style' (at least as I recognise it) was seen for about half that. 

 

In terms of labels, this forum has demonstrated in the last week or so that they can have slightly different meanings, even to us. I think a lot of us have a pretty fixed Idea of what we mean by 'Mod', but if we consider 'Mod' to have existed from 1963 until 1967 and recognise that it was a constantly and rapidly changing look then our view would be a very narrow one and one not necessarily shared by those who actually were mods in, say 1964. I see some photos and video clips (the early Who  performance in a pub, for instance,) in which quite a number feature don't fit my idea of Mod at all - some have quiffs!) My sister is 7 years older than me and therefore was 16 in 1964. I asked her recently if she had been a mod and she enthusiastically said "Oh yes, how I wanted..." she then started to list several items of clothing, including knee boots and other stuff that she'd had to save up and buy. Not the sort of clothes I was expecting at all. I recall her in ski pants and a suede jacket and that's how I remember her as a mod. When I told her this, she said, "Fancy you remembering that, I had forgotten I wore those." I have read on a couple of occasions that the original mods never referred to themselves as mods and most distanced themselves or 'moved on' when the term became widely used following the sea side disturbances in early 1964.

 



Good stuff roytonboy! Since this thread was renamed I have often wondered why we haven't spent more time discussing the mod part of the equation.

You may recall my mentioning Gill and Del Evans, original Birmingham Mods and, for ease of reference I am again putting up a link to their great piece on Jack That Cat Was Clean:

http://jackthatcatwasclean.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/memories-photos-of-birmingham-mods-del.html

You will see that even in Birmingham (no disrespect to those of you north of Potters Bar!) the journey started in about 1960.

Just above that piece is a familiar one about Marc Bolan (Feld) and chums even earlier in time...
Edited by Mr Knightley - 9/1/14 at 8:47am
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