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For those who Love Vespa. From 2002. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlOTmZfZShM

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/mods-and-rockers-rebooted

On tonight - Friday, 22nd.

My drinking buddy, Professor Keith Gildart had a hand in this. Reckons it's worth a watch.

Catch it on BBC iPlayer if you can't make it.

His bio: http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=15809
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The bird I dreamt about ,some 45 years ago wink.gif
Was she an ostrich? biggrin.gif
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Got the same problem here with clothes's big sizes, as i'm rather tall, it's a problem to find something that suits me, well at least with the proper length... The good point, i spend less money on clobber i suppose. 

 

This picture is supposed '69. I'm a bit puzzled about the t-shirt under the BD shirt. It was not too common i think ?


the pic is taken from a uk mag [1973] will have a look if more info in it...

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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/mods-and-rockers-rebooted

On tonight - Friday, 22nd.

 

Thanks Ed - missed it last night but caught it this morning on 'youtube'

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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/mods-and-rockers-rebooted

On tonight - Friday, 22nd.

My drinking buddy, Professor Keith Gildart had a hand in this. Reckons it's worth a watch.

Catch it on BBC iPlayer if you can't make it.

His bio: http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=15809

Catching it now.

Collings at 7:29 still looks cool for an old geezer.

"These long-haired, mentally unstable petty little sawdust Caesars..." I remember how much I loathed and hated Dr. George Simpson, even though I was only a wannabe mod at the time. I just hated him for this attitude to young people, whether it was justifiable under the circs or not.

I think I've said this before, but it's worth saying again, that the press and the older generation back then didn't think of 'mods' and rockers', but of a mass of terrifying youngsters called 'modsandrockers'. When it came to 69 and skinheads, it was a bit different - we looked kinda mod, went to the same seaside places, got into rucks, but although the press tried to make something of skinheads vs greasers, skinheads vs Hell's Angels, there were never enough bikers around to turn 69 into the new 64. It was never 'skinheadsandgreasers'.

I think I've said this before too - most of the local mods/skins and rockers/greasers were people you knew anyway, and most of the trouble was likely to be territorial, people you didn't know who came from somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/latestnews/2014/mods-and-rockers-rebooted

On tonight - Friday, 22nd.

My drinking buddy, Professor Keith Gildart had a hand in this. Reckons it's worth a watch.

Catch it on BBC iPlayer if you can't make it.

His bio: http://www.wlv.ac.uk/default.aspx?page=15809

 

Thanks Ed. - really enjoyed it.

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Cheers Ed, enjoyed that. The Beeb has done some pretty good docs recently. Two Northern Soul ones, and two Mods/Rockers '64 ones. And without the usual-suspect talking-heads for a change.

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Met Prof Keith tonight - with his sister - and told him the prog was met with an element of aprobition by you guys... which I reckon he appreciated.

FTR: I like - sort of - how Phil Daniels mention how he was the 'good-lookin' young star of Quardraphinea... aye, right, kid. satisfied.gif

Not a bad film; not quite of 'the day' but none the less, a great projection of how I remember things back in the day.

MoM is way-more astute and tuned-in than me, so I acknowledge his take on things, which is why, if he can be arsed, he should, perhaps hook-up wi' Keith and do the book fing - or not?

Glad those who saw it - and enjoyed it - took something from it.

Thanks, folks.

Ed.
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MoM is way-more astute and tuned-in than me, so I acknowledge his take on things, which is why, if he can be arsed, he should, perhaps hook-up wi' Keith and do the book fing - or not?

The bit in the film about press blokes paying kids to stage trouble resonated. Back in 69 'Skinhead beats up immigrant' sold papers, 'Skinhead helps pregnant immigrant woman carry laundry' wasn't.

Where was I? Oh yes. The Book. Well it's still in progress, and still a damn sight slower than I had hoped. I smurfed out some of the transcription work. Ed, if you think it is a good idea to get Prof. Gildart involved somehow, I'm certainly prepared to hear some ideas.

One of the biggest tasks will be sorting out the copyright of various photos.
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I loved Trilbies(still do).Had one for ages,then sold it to a Mate who wore it even longer.smile.gif
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Gill Evans original mod with the new book 'Sawdust Caesars: Original Mod Voices'

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=678171272260156&set=gm.555870264518749&type=1&theater

Still looks "Cracking" now.Well done Gill.fing02[1].gif
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WHAT'S IN A NAME?

 

I have recently had a couple of discussions where people said that they had been 'Suedeheads'. The comments were both made by the individuals to underline their identity as something separate and, by inference, different from 'skinhead'. As someone who was both a skinhead and suedehead, this was not a point of view I have encountered before. (with the exception of the experience recounted below)

 

The term 'suedehead' is a bit of an odd one, not being widely known to the public at large - if you say "I used to be a skinhead", people have an idea of what you mean (it's likely to be inaccurate but an idea none-the-less), if you say the word "Mod", again people have some concept but the word "suedehead" usually draws a blank. Those who do know, however, usually have a very good idea of what you are talking about.

 

Just as we have discussed on this forum about the distinctions between mod and skinhead being blurred, I feel the same about skinhead and suedehead. For instance, at what point did I stop being a skinhead and start being a suedehead? I don't think that I ever made that decision. In late 1971 I was stood with two mates on the North Stand at Maine Road, we were all wearing crombies. I heard a voice behind us say, "Here's some of those suedeheads that hate us skinheads" and in an instant Charlie was pushed in the back and his hat snatched off his head. We turned to see four older lads giving us some threatening verbals. The funny thing was, though one of them was a bonehead, my hair was shorter than all of the others, yet they saw themselves as skinheads and us as suedeheads. I couldn't swear to it but I was probably still wearing Levi's and Doc Marten's so, other than the crombie, I was more 'skinhead' than most of them. I'm not sure how but we managed to engage them in conversation, Charlie got his hat back and the event passed off without violence but I found it a strange and rather unpleasant incident. (I blame this episode on the book "Suedehead" by Richard Allen which was out at the time - the front cover being the only thing anywhere near accurate about it from our point of view) As an aside, I still occasionally see that bonehead at City matches these days and he is still a very, very rough looking bloke.

 

I would be interested to hear other peoples' views on the subject - unless I'm mistaken, some of our number will have regarded themselves as suedeheads (elwood and cerneabbas spring to mind). Did anyone else make the transition from skinhead to suedehead? If so, did you regard one as a development of the other or the two as quite separate? As ever, I'm sure there will be differences in location and time and even in interpretation of the name.


Edited by roytonboy - 8/25/14 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

WHAT'S IN A NAME?

I have recently had a couple of discussions where people said that they had been 'Suedeheads'. The comments were both made by the individuals to underline their identity as something separate and, by inference, different from 'skinhead'. As someone who was both a skinhead and suedehead, this was not a point of view I have encountered before. (with the exception of the experience recounted below)

The term 'suedehead' is a bit of an odd one, not being widely known to the public at large - if you say "I used to be a skinhead", people have an idea of what you mean (it's likely to be inaccurate but an idea none-the-less), if you say the word "Mod", again people have some concept but the word "suedehead" usually draws a blank. Those who do know, however, usually have a very good idea of what you are talking about.

Just as we have discussed on this forum about the distinctions between mod and skinhead being blurred, I feel the same about skinhead and suedehead. For instance, at what point did I stop being a skinhead and start being a suedehead? I don't think that I ever made that decision. In late 1971 I was stood with two mates on the North Stand at Maine Road, we were all wearing crombies. I heard a voice behind us say, "Here's some of those suedeheads that hate us skinheads" and in an instant Charlie was pushed in the back and his hat snatched off his head. We turned to see four older lads giving us some threatening verbals. The funny thing was, though one of them was a bonehead, my hair was shorter than all of the others, yet they saw themselves as skinheads and us as suedeheads. I couldn't swear to it but I was probably still wearing Levi's and Doc Marten's so, other than the crombie, I was more 'skinhead' than most of them. I'm not sure how but we managed to engage them in conversation, Charlie got his hat back and the event passed off without violence but I found it a strange and rather unpleasant incident. (I blame this episode on the book "Suedehead" by Richard Allen which was out at the time - the front cover being the only thing anywhere near accurate about it from our point of view) As an aside, I still occasionally see that bonehead at City matches these days and he is still a very, very rough looking bloke.

I would be interested to hear other peoples' views on the subject - unless I'm mistaken, some of our number will have regarded themselves as suedeheads (elwood and cerneabbas spring to mind). Did anyone else make the transition from skinhead to suedehead? If so, did you regard one as a development of the other or the two as quite separate? As ever, I'm sure there will be differences in location and time and even in interpretation of the name.
For me, it was a seemless transition.

I never woke up one morning thinking: today, I'm going to be a suedehead. Like most - I would imagine - it just happened, a bit like suddenly finding you'd grown pubes. shog[1].gif

It was an evolution that came about because of the people we saw (I was never a trend-setter) wearing gear we fancied. And, what was available to buy.

In contrast, I did wake up one day and think: today, I'm off to the barbers to have my hair cropped and opt for the skinhead look.

Sorry I can't be more help. satisfied.gif
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Catching it now.

Collings at 7:29 still looks cool for an old geezer.

"These long-haired, mentally unstable petty little sawdust Caesars..." I remember how much I loathed and hated Dr. George Simpson, even though I was only a wannabe mod at the time. I just hated him for this attitude to young people, whether it was justifiable under the circs or not.

I think I've said this before, but it's worth saying again, that the press and the older generation back then didn't think of 'mods' and rockers', but of a mass of terrifying youngsters called 'modsandrockers'. When it came to 69 and skinheads, it was a bit different - we looked kinda mod, went to the same seaside places, got into rucks, but although the press tried to make something of skinheads vs greasers, skinheads vs Hell's Angels, there were never enough bikers around to turn 69 into the new 64. It was never 'skinheadsandgreasers'.

I think I've said this before too - most of the local mods/skins and rockers/greasers were people you knew anyway, and most of the trouble was likely to be territorial, people you didn't know who came from somewhere else.

Yeh , thought the Paul Anderson guy was quite cool also and seemed to know what he was talking about.

Overall though , I didn't think there was anything new in the show , even all the footage that we saw had been wheeled to us before in recent years . We got to hear from a couple of different geezers and one particular old greeser was allowed to tell us that scooters were built for girls ! They should've had him reiterate that in some busy high street , somewhere in Northern Italy ,.happy.gif

One thing I was reminded of during the show , was the number of people who smoked back in the day compared to nowadays . It reminds one that today smoking is a much more of an underground activity than say , being a Mod was in 1964'ish Britian was . .
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