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I thought it looked like a leather?
post #18467 of 19147
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post


Turn-ups too big for 1969 and, hair too long - even for 'The Wheel'. But I'm often wrong.

Well... hmmm... I did see some turn-ups that size in '68. Not many, but some. As for the hair, I do remember a very short-lived period in Blackpool in 68 when some guys did grow out their college-boy cuts to this length, but as I said it was very short-lived, and everyone went back to short hair again.
post #18468 of 19147
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

In fact, when you said "jacket in foreground" i thought of the jackets in the back (French, and Inspecteur, am i not). I just checked the meaning of "foreground"...
So when i spoke of my recollections of Wrangler cord jackets, i didn't mean a cord jacket wit a denim jacket cut.
It's true it's difficult to see on this picture if the jackets three of the lads in the back are wearing are cord or not. But anyway Wrangler made one with that traditional shape (and big lapels) in the 70s. You can find some from time to time on Ebay. Did you Originals wear cord jackets (with smaller lapels i'm pretty sure), and if you did were they two or three buttons ?

Clouseau, my French wouldn't enable me to make anything like your contribution to this thread if it were en français smile.gif

To me it looks like the lads at the back are wearing "suit" jackets; and at least two of them with jeans, which was quite a popular look. I know the style you are referring to but from what I saw, cord jackets were in the "trucker" style as it's subsequently been known. Cord jackets cut like suit jackets were at that time the preserve of schoolteachers - usually in thicker cord than the needlecord of Wrangler or Levi jackets, and typically with leather patches on the elbows biggrin.gif
post #18469 of 19147
just a quick comment ... its a leather one. They usually had a tag on the pocket flap, like the denim ones but its white with red writing (unlike the cord ones which were white with black). Its cut slightly different but mostly due to it being leather, which is too bulky, compared to denim for a fully felled seam. They did a couple of slight changes over the years and a couple more variations with the suede ones, all before '69.
Cord is a lot softer so creases differently (and by Wrangler or Levi) is produced to a very similar design to the denim one so there's no exposed naked edges internally.
I'd post some pictures but I'm not at home.
(ye can tell, cos its press-studs and not) Buttons
post #18470 of 19147
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

I thought it looked like a leather?

Yep, could be leather as well. Just not easy to be sure from some of these old photos.
post #18471 of 19147
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Cord jackets cut like suit jackets were at that time the preserve of schoolteachers - usually in thicker cord than the needlecord of Wrangler or Levi jackets, and typically with leather patches on the elbows biggrin.gif

Still a nice look... If you avoid thicker cord and leather patches ! :) 

 

Not surprised with the schoolteacher reference :D, but i doubt they wore them with jeans at the time...

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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

 

 

 

Note width of turn-ups and popularity of 'double denim'. This was an extremely common look in the north of England during the skinhead era. As stated before,  80% of the lads at the back of a northern football terrace at this time would be wearing denim jacket and jeans with boots. Speaking personally, this was pretty much my appearance from late 1969 to early 1971. M-o-M , I was always lead to believe that these were Blackpool lads, would you know if this is true?

 

I still occasionally wear 'double denim' now but only:

 

a) With a suede or leather jacket over, in the winter

 

b) With different coloured denim - I dyed a jacket terracotta and it looks pretty good with blue jeans and tan shoes.

 

If I wear a denim Levi jacket it is usually with light stone trousers.


Edited by roytonboy - 8/6/14 at 3:05am
post #18473 of 19147
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

In fact, when you said "jacket in foreground" i thought of the jackets in the back (French, and Inspecteur, am i not). I just checked the meaning of "foreground"...
So when i spoke of my recollections of Wrangler cord jackets, i didn't mean a cord jacket wit a denim jacket cut.
It's true it's difficult to see on this picture if the jackets three of the lads in the back are wearing are cord or not. But anyway Wrangler made one with that traditional shape (and big lapels) in the 70s. You can find some from time to time on Ebay. Did you Originals wear cord jackets (with smaller lapels i'm pretty sure), and if you did were they two or three buttons ?

Not Cord Jackets nor Suede ones-but there were a few Leather Jackets about with 3 Buttons and(if I remember correctly) a Centre Vent.The Suede ones were more Mod.
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post




Note width of turn-ups and popularity of 'double denim'. This was an extremely common look in the north of England during the skinhead era. As stated before,  80% of the lads at the back of a northern football terrace at this time would be wearing denim jacket and jeans with boots. Speaking personally, this was pretty much my appearance from late 1969 to early 1971. M-o-M , I was always lead to believe that these were Blackpool lads, would you know if this is true?

I still occasionally wear 'double denim' now but only:

a) With a suede or leather jacket over, in the winter

b) With different coloured denim - I dyed a jacket terracotta and it looks pretty good with blue jeans and tan shoes.

If I wear a denim Levi jacket it is usually with light stone trousers.

b/ Sounds good roytonboy smile.gif

I turned at Lasttye once,with Levi Jacket and Jeans.The "Look" said it all !!!!! biggrin.gif
post #18475 of 19147
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Originally Posted by buttons View Post

just a quick comment ... its a leather one. They usually had a tag on the pocket flap, like the denim ones but its white with red writing (unlike the cord ones which were white with black). Its cut slightly different but mostly due to it being leather, which is too bulky, compared to denim for a fully felled seam. They did a couple of slight changes over the years and a couple more variations with the suede ones, all before '69.
Cord is a lot softer so creases differently (and by Wrangler or Levi) is produced to a very similar design to the denim one so there's no exposed naked edges internally.
I'd post some pictures but I'm not at home.
(ye can tell, cos its press-studs and not) Buttons

I first saw leather Levis jackets in 1968 in Blackpool, usually worn by blokes who had a bit more disposable income, and right at that brief moment when a few guys grew out their college boy cut for a couple of months (before having it re-cut). Dave Lee, the bloke in Blackpool you did not want to pick a fight with had one. I bought one cheap from a mate just before I left for London, and within a week I had a frantic letter from his mum to say he'd nicked it and could she buy it back. But for a few short days I actually had one!
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M-o-M , I was always lead to believe that these were Blackpool lads, would you know if this is true?

I was always led to believe they were too. However, I don't know any of them. There was a hard-core mod crowd in mid 68 and if we didn't know each other's names we knew each other faces. But also there were some newbie 'mini-mods' coming along, and I guess by 69 a whole lot of lads who jumped on the skinhead look, which had taken a lot of the late mod look anyway (old ground here). A dozen or so pages back there was a link to a 'personal journey' from Blackpool mod to Northern Soulie, and the author mentioned how 'the skinheads' had 'taken over' the denim jackets. The blokes in this picture might be from the latter crowd.

There are some interesting details. What kind of jacket is the seated bloke wearing? It appears to have a tag above the pocket. Wrong place for Levi, wrong place for Lee... if it were a Wrangler I would expect to seed the tag central, and I would expect to see side pockets. I'd expect a big W on the chest pockets too, maybe. [Help me out, Buttons!] The bloke on the right has his jacket done up in a 'typically Northern' way, and the leather patch from the inside of the yoke sewn above the chest pocket (I never liked that!).

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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post


I dyed a jacket terracotta and it looks pretty good with blue jeans and tan shoes.

I recall that any attempt I ever made at dyeing or bleaching always turned out to be an expensive disaster.
post #18478 of 19147
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post


To me it looks like the lads at the back are wearing "suit" jackets; and at least two of them with jeans, which was quite a popular look.

I used to do that. It drove my mum mental. If she caught me going out of the house with jeans and my suit jacket she would go on and on and on. She would have been hard pressed to stop me physically, but there's only so much "You're not going out dressed like that!" a kid can take before opting for the quiet life.

But that was where a flight bag came in handy. You could pop a jacket or a pair of jeans in it and change in the bus station toilet!

Except It was a struggle to get my mum to stump up the extra pocket money for a flight bag (I wasn't earning at the time). "You want a handbag?" sneer sneer sneer. (I refer you to John's Gospel, chapter 11, verse 35!).

My mum - bless her heart, miss her and love her memory - was an appalling snob, hated anything scruffy. She had grown up in a terraced house, moved to a semi when her dad got the foreman's job, got a scholarship to the high school, and if I wore anything that, to her, said 'working class' she would sniff and say "Clogs to clogs in three generations!" She used to refuse to be seen out with me if I was wearing jeans, and used to refer to any mod/skinhead girlfriends I brought home as 'townies'!

I would get my own back by grinning and calling her a Scouser (she had been born in Liverpool).
post #18479 of 19147
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


I was always led to believe they were too. However, I don't know any of them. There was a hard-core mod crowd in mid 68 and if we didn't know each other's names we knew each other faces. But also there were some newbie 'mini-mods' coming along, and I guess by 69 a whole lot of lads who jumped on the skinhead look, which had taken a lot of the late mod look anyway (old ground here). A dozen or so pages back there was a link to a 'personal journey' from Blackpool mod to Northern Soulie, and the author mentioned how 'the skinheads' had 'taken over' the denim jackets. The blokes in this picture might be from the latter crowd.

There are some interesting details. What kind of jacket is the seated bloke wearing? It appears to have a tag above the pocket. Wrong place for Levi, wrong place for Lee... if it were a Wrangler I would expect to seed the tag central, and I would expect to see side pockets. I'd expect a big W on the chest pockets too, maybe. [Help me out, Buttons!] The bloke on the right has his jacket done up in a 'typically Northern' way, and the leather patch from the inside of the yoke sewn above the chest pocket (I never liked that!).

M-o-M, Now I see a larger copy of the photo, I can see that the seated lad's jacket is not, as I previously thought, denim, but is in fact a needle cord Wrangler jacket (very popular late '68 early '69) My mate Terry had a navy blue one and from a distance, when faded, it looked very much like a denim Levi jacket as it was an almost identical design (no side pockets). Two chest buttons fastened was the most common style for both cord and denim, with sleeves turned back.
Ideally turn-ups would be half an inch but to get this right the turn-ups had to be stitched. This weakened the denim causing it to split and fray, which looked a bit scruffy. As a consequence many just turned the jeans up manually and put up with the fact that the turn-ups were a little bit bigger. 
Incidentally, I am not holding these lads up as being the height of skinhead style (they are not) but am just pointing out that in reality, size of turn-ups, length of jeans, type of jackets and skinhead style generally varied from place to place at different times. They are not atypical of what I was seeing in 1969.

Edited by roytonboy - 8/7/14 at 2:20am
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


b/ Sounds good roytonboy smile.gif

I turned at Lasttye once,with Levi Jacket and Jeans.The "Look" said it all !!!!! biggrin.gif

Thanks Browniecj.

 

I'm a bit of a begger for dying. Based on recommendations from this site, I have recently purchased a pair of Mikkel Rude sta-prest. The web-site said they were 'stone' but on trying them on after delivery, I felt as if I was going out to open the batting at Lord's! I have now dyed them off white/stone and am chuffed to bits with them. Incidentally my tailor (a grandios title for the ex-mod who does my alterations) was in absolute raptures about the quality of them when I got him to turn them up.

 

M-o-M  I use Dylon machine dye. It couldn't be simpler - put the dye, some salt and the garment into the washing machine and away you go. The deeper you want the colour, the more dye you use. As an example, I used just a tea-spoon full of 'pebble beige' to take the stark whiteness off those sta-prest.

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