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Then I would not have known them-was never in the ICF.

10 years before the ICF .. west ham were Mile End / TBF / north bank boys back then. Pretty sure Toppers was the actual name of the shoe not a nickname ?
 

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10 years before the ICF .. west ham were Mile End / TBF / north bank boys back then. Pretty

I know Mate,I am a older West Ham Supporter.I was about in `68/69(that was when I came out of Football Violence).I can remember the Style,but when they became fashionable I was older(24/25) so I was going towards another Style. :)
 

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If not,try the Loake Website.
George I believe you are right.Leather Heels on Royals the pair I have got(from America)has got a Repairers Rubber Heel on.
Lasttye had a pair of Longwings on,when we went to see Jim Cox.They had Leather Heels(do not know what make)and they had Leather Heels on-the Royals were exactly the same.


The original Royals had leather heels ..we put blakies on them so they would not wear out so quick, problem the made a noise, and made you slip ..putting the boot in lol.
Blakies got banned in the end from dance halls.

These Brogues are American Allen Edmonds Cordovan leather.

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The original Royals had leather heels ..we put blakies on them so they would not wear out so quick, problem the made a noise, and made you slip ..putting the boot in lol.
Blakies got banned in the end from dance halls.
These Brogues are American Allen Edmonds Cordovan leather.
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Nice. Unfortunately Allen Edmonds are way above my price range. Maybe someday.
Anyway this may have been discussed in the past. So the question my be a recycle. But when it comes to trouser length for you original blokes how long was too long or how short was too short at the hem in the late 60s/early 70s? Did you hem your trousers at varying lengths depending on the type of shoes worn or boots? Pictures of originals seem to favor short trousers with socks showing, almost half mast when wearing regular shoes was this style pretty skinhead "standard" back in the day or did it really all depend on preference?
 

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Nice. Unfortunately Allen Edmonds are way above my price range. Maybe someday.
Anyway this may have been discussed in the past. So the question my be a recycle. But when it comes to trouser length for you original blokes how long was too long or how short was too short at the hem in the late 60s/early 70s? Did you hem your trousers at varying lengths depending on the type of shoes worn or boots? Pictures of originals seem to favor short trousers with socks showing, almost half mast when wearing regular shoes was this style pretty skinhead "standard" back in the day or did it really all depend on preference?

We wore shorter leg via turn ups on Levis, jungle greens and sta prest as they were worn with boots. Trousers and suit trousers were worn normal ie hanging over the shoe but not crumpled. You should understand that we were always smartly and traditionally dressed. If we wore trousers at half mast with shoes and a lot of sock was on display you would look marsupialed like people of that time who attended mental institutions and were never supervised on how they were dressed when they were out and about. This is nothing againt people with mental disablilities this was how it was 40 plus years ago. We prided ourselves on being smartly dressed.
 

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We wore shorter leg via turn ups on Levis, jungle greens and sta prest as they were worn with boots.  Trousers and suit trousers were worn normal ie hanging over the shoe but not crumpled.  You should understand that we were always smartly and traditionally dressed.  If we wore trousers at half mast with shoes and a lot of sock was on display you would look marsupialed like people of that time who attended mental institutions and were never supervised on how they were dressed when they were out and about.  This is nothing againt people with mental disablilities this was how it was 40 plus years ago.  We prided ourselves on being smartly dressed.


Jeans Sta Press was worn quite high even with shoes, With suits trousers was just above the ankle, Their is a pic of me on here wearing a suit showing the trouser length above the ankle.
 

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Nice. Unfortunately Allen Edmonds are way above my price range. Maybe someday.
Anyway this may have been discussed in the past. So the question my be a recycle. But when it comes to trouser length for you original blokes how long was too long or how short was too short at the hem in the late 60s/early 70s? Did you hem your trousers at varying lengths depending on the type of shoes worn or boots? Pictures of originals seem to favor short trousers with socks showing, almost half mast when wearing regular shoes was this style pretty skinhead "standard" back in the day or did it really all depend on preference?
Next time it's on, try 'Happy Days' - not the Fonze, though.

Concertina-bottom trousers (as favoured today, even by people who should know better) were as bad as too short.

As others have said: it was all about looking tidy and smart (Ivy League?) - not slightly doolally. (Apologies to any doolally folks on here.) :satisfied:

From Film Noir Buff: "As I understood it,'Ivy League' was a close fitting suit with narrow lapels, usualy a button three (all buttons fastened) very short sleeves, showing plenty of cuff, and as someone has already mentioned the trousers were cut on the short side. 'Bobby Darron' the sixties/seventies pop singer, had a tendency to wear this style. I might add, along with many more."


Not 100%, but you can see the genesis.

http://forums.filmnoirbuff.com/viewtopic.php?pid=202275
 
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Next time it's on, try 'Happy Days' - not the Fonze, though.



Like this? Someone's probably posted these pictures on here before. But here they are anyway.
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This latter picture looks like late 70s to 80s to me. Bootboy look with the flared trousers.


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The trouser length on the first pic would be considered short by today's standards imo.
When I had my own trousers shortened to reflect a more skinhead esthetic the tailor gave me a very puzzled look because he told me that having a "break" or 'fold" at the hem was normal.
And not like this: The irony is I think my trouser length is still pretty conservative compared to others I've seen.

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I had my ordinary Trousers just above Ankle and would have a 1/2 inch Turn-up.My Suit Trousers would be touching the top Lace Hole of the Royals.I never wore Sta-Prest but the Greens and other Cotton Trousers(in `68) would be rolled up, to about Calf Length.
Darksideoftheforce,that is the about the Length I wear my Trousers now.Too old to have my Trousers"up around my backside"-as my Mother used to say!!!
 

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I had my ordinary Trousers just above Ankle and would have a 1/2 inch Turn-up.My Suit Trousers would be touching the top Lace Hole of the Royals.I never wore Sta-Prest but the Greens and other Cotton Trousers(in `68) would be rolled up, to about Calf Length.
Darksideoftheforce,that is the about the Length I wear my Trousers now.Too old to have my Trousers"up around my backside"-as my Mother used to say!!!
And anyone wearing them 'unacceptably short' (whatever that meant) :happy: would be asked: 'Has the cat died?' (I reckon they were alluding to the 'half mast' element previously mentioned by A & E.)
 

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You still see smart sharp Italian men bowling about the west end of london with there socks showing , its a very cool look that Beams ( *** Ivy league label ) are rocking .. red socks my fave .
a very subtle way of making Levis / Bass wejuns or Brogues a 'Look ' rather than dressed down friday at the office
 

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And anyone wearing them 'unacceptably short' (whatever that meant)
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would be asked: 'Has the cat died?' (I reckon they were alluding to the 'half mast' element previously mentioned by A & E.)

I can still see an incident where walking through the market one our our lads would always insist on wearing Levis at half mast with shoes and a market trader shouted out "oi ave yer trousers had an argument wiv yer shoes"? This embarrassment made me cringe as the 40 year old greengrocer was too big to have a go at and you could not give any lip because he would have not hesitated in lobbing a rotten apple / orange at you which would have resulted in further embarrassment. At 16 you were very sensitive to any embarrassment because we thought we were so cool and the business. This is probably why I have always loathed the half mast jeans/trousers with shoes. The incident just sticks in my head!!
 

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I can still see an incident where walking through the market one our our lads would always insist on wearing Levis at half mast with shoes and a market trader shouted out "oi ave yer trousers had an argument wiv yer shoes"? This embarrassment made me cringe as the 40 year old greengrocer was too big to have a go at and you could not give any lip because he would have not hesitated in lobbing a rotten apple / orange at you which would have resulted in further embarrassment. At 16 you were very sensitive to any embarrassment because we thought we were so cool and the business. This is probably why I have always loathed the half mast jeans/trousers with shoes. The incident just sticks in my head!!


The further you got away from the source of the look ( IE London ) the more extreme it seemed to get . The levis got tighter , the boots bigger and the trousers higher and especially the barnet much shorter .
 

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I can still see an incident where walking through the market one our our lads would always insist on wearing Levis at half mast with shoes and a market trader shouted out "oi ave yer trousers had an argument wiv yer shoes"?  This embarrassment made me cringe as the 40 year old greengrocer was too big to have a go at and you could not give any lip because he would have not hesitated in lobbing a rotten apple / orange at you which would have resulted in further embarrassment.  At 16 you were very sensitive to any embarrassment because we thought we were so  cool and the business.  This is probably why I have always loathed the half mast jeans/trousers with shoes.  The incident just sticks in my head!!


Yes remember that one as well !!!!:):):)
 

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