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This faded pic is of a mate of mine Bill O'Mahony R.I.P,[ centre of photo] a Kilburn and Chelsea Shed Legend, The pic was sent to me via FB by his brother Larry.
Bill is also in the Kilburn ..Phoenix Club clip that i have posted on here.

The pic is from a family holiday at Bognor...not sure of the date.. the lads around him are just lads he meet on the holiday. Just to add Larry has told me the photo was taken July/Aug 1967.


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Edited by Lasttye - 5/17/14 at 4:32am
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One for Roy... He'll ken this - Scary bassa!

Was out tonight wiv some dodgy characters! happy.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ss97oxqFS8
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Originally Posted by TomMc666 View Post

Just googled the photo and found this http://www.leatherhistory.eu/?p=6150 and says 1972 from a gay magazine and 'identifies' one of them in a further book. 

On the point of skinhead style dying out in London, not the case in my experience. Knew, from 72-75, a couple of skinheads - Binnsy and Terry Madden, at school, and there were others, but very low numbers!. During the Kings Road fights against the Teds, starting in 76, a few skinhead were there - on both sides - and then into 77, an increase in numbers around Sham. 

I've said this before, and I'll say it again - not to to say you're not right - I can only go by what I saw. Between 71 and 75 (when I left London) the look was non-existent in S E London, as far as I could see. I went to football matches all over London. My girlfriend and I went all over London by bus and underground, up West or out through the suburbs to the finger of London to the country (we had the 'London Transport Book of Country Walks') and didn't see a single one...
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Case solved. Thanks Tom. And it's very interesting to know for sure that there were still skinheads in London in the early/mid seventies... 

... I suppose, as with every fashion, there are a few people who retain something of a recognisable style once it has faded. In the early 70s there were blokes in their 40s with slicked-back hair, who must have been teds when they were younger. I think that is a totally different phenomenon. Also, when thinking about the middle and later 70s, we have to remember that some kids imported skinhead elements into punk from early on. I can remember a pic of a punk band with one young bloke wearing a Harrington (over a T-shirt) and dockers (jungle greens) - I wish I could find that pic.

Something else too remember is that in 69 there was still a musical genre of Reggae which skinheads danced to. In the early 70s Reggae changed its character completely and moved to Rastafarian lyrics, dub tracks, and 'toasting', so less relevance to skinheads and more into their own culture.

I think we need to be careful when we say 'there were still skinheads' or 'the look continued' or some such.
Edited by Man-of-Mystery - 5/16/14 at 10:20pm
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Nice One.Now we Know.I still don't believe there were Gay skins in the early days.I think its a case of the Gays being into Macho Dudes.I'm thinking of creating a new "Village People" and there will def be a Skinhead in the bunch(and a Chav as well)wink.gif

You've jogged my memory. When I was running Yell I was contacted by someone from a Gay magazine* and asked if I would be interviewed about the skinhead scene. The bloke dropped in at the IT offices to chat to me about it. I didn't end up doing the interview because I didn't see much point in it, but during the chat he told me that a number of gay blokes were into the look, and that he and his mates had been approached by young skins who were closet gay. Or that could have been wishful thinking on his part. People tend to big things up.


*It can't have been Gay News, because that didn't start until 1972.
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Originally Posted by Lasttye View Post

Their was no outwardly Gay skinheads in the late 60s, and as people know Gays was not tolerated back then especially with the white and black working classes, also as people are aware some skinheads would go queer bashing....which was deplorable...without going over old ground ..Britain was a very different place back then.

I have not a clue the dates of the above photos ..but one thing they are not from the period 68 to 70..or pushing it 71.....regarding skinheads in the early 70s..72 to say 75...I was still active in the Kilburn mob, going to football, discos etc .....now if their was still skinheads in numbers around 72/75 in London..i would have seen them....and if their was they would have been laughed at as backward..remember skinheads was a fashion.

I am only going on what i saw and lived through at that time, other people may have a different opinion which is fair enough.

Roy is dead right about the 'fashion' angle. That's what it was. Loads of kids jumped into it, and eighteen months down the line they're all wearing 'bee jumpers' and long hair!
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Originally Posted by Botolph View Post

Looks like at least the '80s with the cropped top and bangs.

You're right, not 69 style at all.
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


You're right, not 69 style at all.

Never pretended it was a 60s or 70s picture, it was just to "illustrate" my last post.

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I think we need to be careful when we say 'there were still skinheads' or 'the look continued' or some such.

You're right MoM, i've should have said "there were still a few skinheads" or to quote Tom : "..a couple of skinheads - Binnsy and Terry Madden, at school, and there were others, but very low numbers!"

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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

Never pretended it was a 60s or 70s picture, it was just to "illustrate" my last post.
You're right MoM, i've should have said "there were still a few skinheads" or to quote Tom : "..a couple of skinheads - Binnsy and Terry Madden, at school, and there were others, but very low numbers!"


Sorry Clouseau, I thought the pic was posted as to be contemporaneous with the three creepy fetish boys in boots and braces. smile.gif
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I've said this before, and I'll say it again - not to to say you're not right - I can only go by what I saw. Between 71 and 75 (when I left London) the look was non-existent in S E London, as far as I could see. I went to football matches all over London. My girlfriend and I went all over London by bus and underground, up West or out through the suburbs to the finger of London to the country (we had the 'London Transport Book of Country Walks') and didn't see a single one...

I think we need to be careful when we say 'there were still skinheads' or 'the look continued' or some such.

As I said, I lived in central London and knew a few, mainly from Camden Town/Swiss Cottage way, none around my way. Yes, the fashion had died out but for whatever reason these kept the style and considered themselves as skinheads. Both Terry and Binnsy, a few years older than me, continued on into the first skinhead revival of 77. Still see Binnsy despite him being in a gooner band, Riders of the Night. 

 

The band your mentioning are probably Cocksparrer, Colin dressed that way in 76 onwards, nice bloke as it goes

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One area in London - just! - where I know it didnt die out completely and there were greater numbers, with even a younger generation coming through in the early to mid 70s - a lot of whom became my friends and involved in the first skinhead revival, then the mod revival, followed by football casual - was Becontree. Seemed to be very much a local thing with a long running row - over  a number of years - between 2 groups, the Becontree - who dressed and considered themselves as skinheads - and the CAL - who were a number of families but dressed normal, for that time long hair and flares etc. 

 

Think I've said before, in 76/77 when it started again to build up to a bigger thing, it seemed like only a 100 to 200 or so across London.

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The band your mentioning are probably Cocksparrer, Colin dressed that way in 76 onwards, nice bloke as it goes

That's the band indeed! This pic below was the one I remembered:



I remember 'Colin' looking a bit mournful.
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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Thank you, all - it's been good... nah, it's been great. biggrin.gif

Those of you who have heard of 'The Priory', I've only made my efforts of weight-loss and soberiety is 'cos of this place.

Nutter? Aye, maybe. But depression and obsession, OCD and anxiety is more common that we all know.

You lot, my 'pals', if in doubt... see a quack - it's more common than we would think. shog[1].gif

I look forward to cracking on with this as we move on... to use the Scottish, salute... Slainte!satisfied.gif

(BTW: yes, after 131 days, I'm back on the piss, albeit temporarily.) icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif


Hello Ed

 

Just returned from hols and catching up.  Happy birthday - I also turned the 60 mark last week.  No fireworks just same s--t but on a different day

 

Your contributions to this thread have always been intelligent and witty and I am sure with that in mind you will achieve your goal.

 

'A man is not judged by how many times he falls down but how may times he gets up'  or something like that

 

A happy belated birthday to you mate

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I have been looking for information about what Street the Blackpool branch of the Twisted Wheel was in. If you plonked me down in 1968 Blackpool I could walk straight to it, but locating it today on a map is a different matter. Fail.

I found the following paragraph on a page of the 'Soul Source' site:

Once some scooter boys followed the coach and parked outside the Blackpool
Wheel. The craze that week was school caps - they all had school caps with
parkas - cool or what? Also Levi 501s were becoming the thing to wear -
preferably with a white Levi jean jacket.


I think I may have mentioned the school cap thing before. The para gives some comment on what happened to Blackpool mods when the skinhead phenomenon took off. An interesting perspective.
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I have been looking for information about what Street the Blackpool branch of the Twisted Wheel was in. If you plonked me down in 1968 Blackpool I could walk straight to it, but locating it today on a map is a different matter. Fail.

I found the following paragraph on a page of the 'Soul Source' site:

Once some scooter boys followed the coach and parked outside the Blackpool
Wheel. The craze that week was school caps - they all had school caps with
parkas - cool or what? Also Levi 501s were becoming the thing to wear -
preferably with a white Levi jean jacket.


I think I may have mentioned the school cap thing before. The para gives some comment on what happened to Blackpool mods when the skinhead phenomenon took off. An interesting perspective.


According to "Central 1179",the Blackpool Twisted Wheel was in 71, Coronation Street,Blackpool.
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According to "Central 1179",the Blackpool Twisted Wheel was in 71, Coronation Street,Blackpool.

Ta. Checking that out on the map, I think that's about right - not far from where Debenhams is now.
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