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Originally Posted by Inks View Post



The mystery gent with the hat has almost the same cut jacket. He actually looks like he might well be wearing the same shirt, shoes and jacket as shown in the window display.

Looks like a Tourist to me.Certainly older than the People who frequented Carnaby Street.....smile.gif
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The mystery gent with the hat has almost the same cut jacket. He actually looks like he might well be wearing the same shirt, shoes and jacket as shown in the window display.

Looks like a Tourist to me.Certainly older than the Clientele that went to the Boutiques.
post #17493 of 19147
The image in the Window is of a Tourist,out for the day in Carnaby Street.The "Look" is certainly of the sporty set.
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Whoops,Computer having a mind of its own again !!!!!
post #17495 of 19147
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I picked up these very straight-forward looking British-made shades off of the 'bay for a fiver. I'd say they were made early 70s, just post decimal. The slip inside has info on lens replacement (25p, or 50p for scratch resistant lenses. That included return postage) I'm guessing they're a mid-60s design, as JWL is wearing a similar pair in the Paperback Writer promo film.
I liked the simplicity of the design, the fact they were British made, and that they were obviously affordable when new.

Very nice indeed, and a steal for that price!
post #17496 of 19147
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I think Homburgs curve up at the sides more. I don't think it's a porkpie either. The one I bought from Hornet's in Kensington is similar. It was labelled as a stingy-brim fedora. I was looking for something as near as damn it as Johnny Boy's titfer in Mean Streets

 

 

 

Yeah, very cool man.  Stingy-brimmed fedora it must be.  I have one that's very similar to Johnny Boy's.  Got it from O'Connell's in Buffalo, NY.  Rabbit fur and all, proper hat!!

[url]http://www.oconnellsclothing.com/product.php?productid=22650&page=1[/url]

post #17497 of 19147
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M-O-M = Yes, I got that about the 'shock' value of mentioning skinheads, but you have picked up on the main theme of my comment - not only did I not know that our look was partly influenced, I had never even heard of Ivy League style back then - we wore what was fashionable, as you said. To be more accurate, pedantic even (one of my specialities!) I would have said that 'Ivy League' was more of an influence on 'Mod' and that in fact 'skinhead' initially moved away from this look. I would suggest the Piccadilly Circus photos (and those of the Paint House Gang), were in support of that argument. Surely Ivy League 'style' is more than just putting on a button down collar shirt? If I was asked what 'kick-started' skinhead I would have thought,  "working class mod meets cool young West Indian immigrant" was a more accurate description, though, of course, nothing is quite that simplistic. As we know, there were different influences in different areas at different times. As ever - always happy to 'stimulate discussion' on various topics!satisfied.gif

Cerneabbas - yes, we certainly wore some American style clothing (though at the time I was unaware the extent of this). This became even more prevalent as we moved to the Suedehead look. The influence of the Ivy League look was more, then less, than more dominant again at various times through the 1960's and early 1970's. It was a reflection of the time - fast moving trends, clothes sending out certain signals to those 'in the know' - in some ways the same message as the author of the  Ivy League article was portraying.

Isn't it so that in London, skinheads shopped a lot at John Simon's shops and unconsciously where buying lots of "ivy" gear without even knowing what "Ivy" was (maybe some where clued in).

And now in hindsight looked like they where influenced by Ivy League.
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Sunglasses don't often get mentioned

They do by me!



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They were also an item that could be easily nicked or forgotten in the pub.

Like my bleedin' RayBans were recently! frown.gif
post #17499 of 19147
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

M-O-M = Yes, I got that about the 'shock' value of mentioning skinheads, but you have picked up on the main theme of my comment - not only did I not know that our look was partly influenced, I had never even heard of Ivy League style back then - we wore what was fashionable, as you said. To be more accurate, pedantic even (one of my specialities!) I would have said that 'Ivy League' was more of an influence on 'Mod' and that in fact 'skinhead' initially moved away from this look. I would suggest the Piccadilly Circus photos (and those of the Paint House Gang), were in support of that argument. Surely Ivy League 'style' is more than just putting on a button down collar shirt? If I was asked what 'kick-started' skinhead I would have thought,  "working class mod meets cool young West Indian immigrant" was a more accurate description, though, of course, nothing is quite that simplistic. As we know, there were different influences in different areas at different times. As ever - always happy to 'stimulate discussion' on various topics!satisfied.gif

All good points, of course, and perfectly valid.

I'd heard of Ivy League because when I was a twerp of 13 or 14 I used to follow around my mate-next-door's mates who were all mods, plus I read the term in the 1965 book Generation X (mate-next-door had it), plus there was a band called The Ivy League...

I think the Ivy League influence on skinheads would have been blindingly obvious to an outside observer who saw them in their casual clothes rather than boots and braces, whilst the majority of skins would have been oblivious to it, so you do have a good point. To be honest, I think the biggest influence on the West Indian look was their African-American counterparts, who in their turn tried to outdo the whites for smartness, and we're going round full circle. smile.gif
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All good points, of course, and perfectly valid.

I'd heard of Ivy League because when I was a twerp of 13 or 14 I used to follow around my mate-next-door's mates who were all mods, plus I read the term in the 1965 book Generation X (mate-next-door had it), plus there was a band called The Ivy League...

I think the Ivy League influence on skinheads would have been blindingly obvious to an outside observer who saw them in their casual clothes rather than boots and braces, whilst the majority of skins would have been oblivious to it, so you do have a good point. To be honest, I think the biggest influence on the West Indian look was their African-American counterparts, who in their turn tried to outdo the whites for smartness, and we're going round full circle. smile.gif

Jamaica was always heavily influenced by what the Jamaicans living in NY and in the South were wearing and brought back ' a yard ' with them . Later in the early 70s the Italian american wise guy / Johhny boy ' look was appropriated by the NY jamaican community - then adopted by the whole of JA and finally hitting stores in black areas of London mid 70s and was instrumental in the foundations of what became ' casual ' . Nowdays someone would see a look on the internet and buy it straight from the original source ...  seemed much more fun and mysterious the old school way 

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My first post on the old blokes thread lol, a photo of some genuine circa 1970 sunglasses bought by my parents, borrowed and worn by me later on in my late teens.



Knew I had these somewhere. I was just a little skinhead myself in 1970.
post #17502 of 19147
While I am over here, a 50s/60s rayon and wool(?) scarf I borrowed from my dad in my late teens. Makers label says Hico.

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Cool stuff, CovSkin!
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Originally Posted by loempiavreter View Post



Isn't it so that in London, skinheads shopped a lot at John Simon's shops and unconsciously where buying lots of "ivy" gear without even knowing what "Ivy" was (maybe some where clued in).



And now in hindsight looked like they where influenced by Ivy League.

 



I think that's true mate.

I shopped in the Ivy Shop and Squire Shop and liked what I saw (most of it) without really thinking too much about where it came from. I did follow US golfers and their style and recall we attempted to recreate their matching knitwear / shirt and sock look, often in pastel shades, but that's not really Ivy either. I believe we sought a particular look that took cues from Ivy, continental and the 'English Gent' wardrobes. But that is just me being smart with the benefit of hindsight and this thread. I have to say I know more about the look as a result of this thread than I ever did at the time!
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Originally Posted by loempiavreter View Post




Isn't it so that in London, skinheads shopped a lot at John Simon's shops and unconsciously where buying lots of "ivy" gear without even knowing what "Ivy" was (maybe some where clued in).





And now in hindsight looked like they where influenced by Ivy League.

 





I think that's true mate.



I shopped in the Ivy Shop and Squire Shop and liked what I saw (most of it) without really thinking too much about where it came from. I did follow US golfers and their style and recall we attempted to recreate their matching knitwear / shirt and sock look, often in pastel shades, but that's not really Ivy either. I believe we sought a particular look that took cues from Ivy, continental and the 'English Gent' wardrobes. But that is just me being smart with the benefit of hindsight and this thread. I have to say I know more about the look as a result of this thread than I ever did at the time!

 



By way of example of the mix, in 1969 I worked for a time in an old fashioned menswear department in the local Department Store, JG Bond Ltd (still there but now Debenhams!). Skins or suedes would learn that we had just taken delivery of some new Wolsey v and crew necks in lovely marled knits - petrol blue and lovat green were the most sought after. These were certainly 'old man' gear but became an absolute must-have to the extent people were actually nicking them! But why were they suddenly the thing? There was a very strong sense I believe that everything had to have an 'authentic' feel. That was more important, as we became better off, than following an Ivy or any other theme.

So, shoes would have an Ivy influence - Royal brogues, plains and gibsons and shirts too, but suits were an update of Mod and hence continental in inspiration and knitwear, ties, pocket hankies, odd trousers in POW or dogtooth, all quintessentially English.
Edited by Mr Knightley - 4/1/14 at 7:26am
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