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I've seen that stat too, roytonboy, and anyone who used to go on the terraces I the late 60s to late 70s and still goes to Premier League games now will recognise it from what they see. And if you look at videos of the period on YouTube, the sound of the singing from the terraces is of much younger voices than today. All those factors you quote mean it's changed, probably permanently.

One reflection on the terrace "activity" that used to occur - I remember reading somewhere, but can't find it now, an explanation for the rise of "hooliganism" in the late 60s being along the following lines. Until the 1960s, the terraces were filled with older adult males who wouldn't tolerate young lads running wild and would effectively keep them in check. However, with increasing prosperity not least reflected in car and TV ownership, from the early 60s onwards these older males abandoned the terraces for trips out in the car, mowing the lawn and watching Grandstand. As a result, the terraces were left to younger males' rivalry.

That's a very rough outline of a sociological explanation ... take it as you will. But it would suggest that what we saw in that period was very much of its time.

elwood,That explanation of football violence was by John Clarke,I think that it over simplifies things but maybe it was one of the reasons.

I have a book  The Roots of football hooliganism an historical and sociological study ,which if you see it cheap on e bay is worth getting IMO,a bit dry but well researched and a fair bit on the skinhead period ( and much earlier).

That's a nice scarf,nice to have something that you wont see anyone else wearing.

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Mr Knightley,As you have mentioned regional,the Zephyr has a Birmingham area number ( I think ) I wonder if the lady  that you know from Birmingham might be able to help date the picture ? ( a long shot I know,).

I thought that the pictures were good but it made me realise what a long time ago it was,and truthfully how little of the clothes I would wear now,as roytonboy remarked nostalgia isn't what it used to be.

 



I agree, cerneabbas, about the way it all looks to us today – very dated and not really in a good way.

I know I am a terrible snob and you will recall I have previously complained that, even viewed at the time, a large gathering of skinheads was not often a pretty sight! As today, people interpreted casual as f***ing scruffy – dirty boots, sta-prest turned up in the most amateurish fashion and pilling knitwear…..That sort of thing. My own dress often fell short of the standards I set for myself.

But every now and then, of course you would spot a boy or girl that looked ‘just right’ and that was a thing to behold.

Gill Evans is the former ‘Continentalist’ from Birmingham (and she certainly would have been in the latter category) and I shall ask her the question. She may have a view on it.

Mr Knightley.You are right it is/was a great thing to see someone who had the look just right,there have been photos on this thread where there have been excellently attired individuals IMO.

To me one of the smartest looks was brogues,prince of wales check trousers a button down and a Crombie,but some lads could look scruffy even wearing all of that .

That's one of the things I like seeing on this thread,people taking  some pride in their appearance,thinking about what they wear, even  talk about polishing boots,standards that have largely been forgotten in most of life today.

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Here's a couple of photos of the Tootal scarf I mentioned. A sort of Paisley pattern with racecourse scenes ... could imagine a raffish bookie wearing it (not who I inherited it from):







The label says it's "Tebilized" - some sort of crease resistance ... a Sta-Prest scarf?



 



What a beauty!

Thanks, Mr. Knightley. I'm very pleased with it. Looking at the design with those stylised horses it might be late 50s/ early 60s.
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elwood,That explanation of football violence was by John Clarke,I think that it over simplifies things but maybe it was one of the reasons.
I have a book  The Roots of football hooliganism an historical and sociological study ,which if you see it cheap on e bay is worth getting IMO,a bit dry but well researched and a fair bit on the skinhead period ( and much earlier).
That's a nice scarf,nice to have something that you wont see anyone else wearing.

Thanks, cerneabbas. Good to know I hadn't dreamed it. I'll look out for that book. Another one I recall is "Folk Devils and Moral Panics" by Stanley(?) Cohen. I think there's material on skinheads in it. I believe he died recently and didn't he appear in one of those early 70s TV documentaries (was it the one about the Newcastle lads) that's been linked from here to YouTube?

As I said to Mr. Knightley, I'm very pleased with the scarf. Tootal's always a nice link to Manchester for me; reminds of the wonderful old building on Oxford Street (Manchester) tho' the colour of the scarf means I wouldn't wear it to the football biggrin.gif
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Thanks, roytonboy (and browniecj and Gsvs5) for pronunciation hints.

As Roytonboy knows, I'm friendly with the lad in the Blues & Soul article: he was a good friend of Dave Godin and he pronounces it Go-din.
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Lovingly relieved from The Mod Generation -




Off to Mojo Sheffield allnighter in my made to measure tonic mohair suit. (Gary Maxton)



Morning after an allnighter (Gary Maxton)



Newquay Aug 1966 (Gary Maxton)



At first glance I thought the middle 'photo-me' pic was from the '80's.

Bottom pic - I can't make it out on this small screen, are they Riders or Chelsea boots?
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Fabulous pics (Bunty !) and posts by all the Originals and co (aka The firm) in the past few days. So there is still a lot of things to come up i guess. Thanks Browniecj for the historical details on FP and sharkskin suits (etc.), and that's just one example of what' so interesting in this thread for 60s lovers. As usual the recollections of you all are great !


Edited by Clouseau - 3/1/14 at 4:42am
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As Roytonboy knows, I'm friendly with the lad in the Blues & Soul article: he was a good friend of Dave Godin and he pronounces it Go-din.

Thanks, Little Queenie. I think that link to the man himself makes that fairly definitive?
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Elwood, that is a beauty Tootal. Can't say I've seen that one before, great colours too. I'm sure Maine Road or City of Manchester or ? hasn't seen it! I'm going to take a pic or two of mine and share

Just back from 4 days in Thurlestone, Devon with the boys, golfing. (Drinking!) some chat about the old days till the early hours great till the next morning. We had a chat about crombies and harringtons. Don't know what happened to my crombie

Bunty, that looks like a killer suit, v impressive. You'd certainly have got noticed round our parts. nod[1].gif
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Bottom pic - I can't make it out on this small screen, are they Riders or Chelsea boots?

I would say they were Chelsea boots.
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Thanks, Little Queenie. I think that link to the man himself makes that fairly definitive?

A bit like De-ath and Death really.......biggrin.gif
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I used to be involved in a Weekender in Gt.Yarmouth.The "Deep Room" was run by Dave Godin.I never heard Dave being introduced as Dave Go-din-so it must be "different strokes,for different folks".I never spoke to him as he made "Deep Soul" as boring as f*ck.His interpretation of it anyway(he would have a talk about the subject-before the music started.Most People walked out then went back when the music started.smile.gif
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tiZUcQQsdHI

At 3.35 minutes DG is mentioned.

I have spent the past 40 odd yrs mentally pronouncing it God-in ! He 's since passed away,do you think he'll mind if I carry on ? It' like a Mondegreen I can't shake off.
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Thanks, Mr. Knightley. I'm very pleased with it. Looking at the design with those stylised horses it might be late 50s/ early 60s.

My humble Tootal collection

Red dot and blue dot get all the wear

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My humble Tootal collection

Red dot and blue dot get all the wear



Nice stuff! Any of them have the wool backing or are they silk on both sides?
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