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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

Interesting in reading Bryan`s Story(about a Smooth in West London).Never realised that Brutus Check Shirts were still being worn in `74.It goes back to a question I asked(many pages ago),were there Suedeheads etc.still buying Two Tone Mohair Suits in the `71/`72.I had watched "Steptoe And Son - Rides Again"Film and in it they go past a Menswear Shop with full priced Suits in the Window.Interesting read that. smile.gif



There's been some good stuff on that blog. Gabriela who runs it seems to track down some good sources.

I last saw that Steptoe film must be over 20 years ago. I'll be trying to track it down again now smile.gif
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

browniecj - Whilst it is widely known that Mods were wearing mohair suits in the mid sixties, were they ever two-tone material? A tone-tone suit has come to be regarded as a 'mod' staple (just as Doc. Martens are for skinheads) yet I never saw two-tone or 'tonik' material (other than jacket or coat linings) until 1971. Tonik trousers became widely worn in our area from mid 1971 through 1972. (which I regard as the suedehead period) At this time we did discuss how great it would be to own a two tone suit, but none of us ever did and I can't recall ever seeing anyone wearing one. That said, I'm sure that some people were wearing them in other  areas.

Early in 1971 we started wearing blazers and trousers, initially in Prince of Wales check, (dogstooth not worn in our vicinity) then toniks. Later, suit jackets also started to be worn, sometimes with jeans, sometimes with trousers, but interestingly, not as suits. Late 1972 black blazers with coloured edging and very long single back vents became trendy but they were not seen for very long. Then it was all over.......


I remember well all those styles you mention, roytonboy. I'd never seen two tone before 1971 either and two tone trousers were widespread that year. As I've mentioned on here, I did have a green and gold two tone suit in 1971. It definitely wasn't Tonik and unlikely to have been mohair either though I've no way of knowing now. Still can't remember if it came from C&A's in Manchester or Warren Andrew (Oldham Street? my Manchester geography is starting to slip after so many years in the South shog[1].gif) Can't for the life of me remember how come I talked the folks into getting me that suit; there was no family wedding that year. I think there were a few other suits round my way but again can't be sure after so long. More mysteries as you get older smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Botolph View Post

A little musical interlude...




Botolph - excellent musical interlude featuring the best voice of the 60s IMO: Otis Redding. Here's a shorter one. Nowhere near the same visual impact, in fact - none. But I tracked this down from that 1971 Dave Godin article about the Twisted Wheel. He mentioned the lasting musical impression of his visit was Jackie Lee's "Darkest Days" which I'd never heard before. I couldn't find it on Spotify but there are several postings on You Tube, most with just a photo of the record label like this one. Anyway, I thought it was a terrific track; hope the link works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ox14YEcIBc
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Botolph - excellent musical interlude featuring the best voice of the 60s IMO: Otis Redding. Here's a shorter one. Nowhere near the same visual impact, in fact - none. But I tracked this down from that 1971 Dave Godin article about the Twisted Wheel. He mentioned the lasting musical impression of his visit was Jackie Lee's "Darkest Days" which I'd never heard before. I couldn't find it on Spotify but there are several postings on You Tube, most with just a photo of the record label like this one. Anyway, I thought it was a terrific track; hope the link works:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ox14YEcIBc


Very nice find! Hadn't ever heard that track before. A really nice one and very animated vocal performance. I always love when they sing the songs like they OWN them.
The Stax/Volt review was only put up in thd last couple months. Glad to have stumbled upon it!
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Wow, I just looked up that track on Discogs. Yeesh! Pretty sought-after!
www.discogs.com/Jackie-Lee-Darkest-Days-One-For-The-Road/release/2203186
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A couple or more seasons ago Fred Perry put out some polo's in their 'Laurel Wreath' collection which had longer sleeves than their standard polo's. Not sure if they were all the way to the elbow. I suspect trying to cash in on the heritage sub cultural link, nothing more.

 

Edit, ah, here you go:

 

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Great track Elwood.
It was well known and very popular.Dave Godin was a big fan of what he called "Deep Soul" also.He was always a champion of Bobby "Blue" Bland.His all time favourite song was Make me Yours by Bettye Swan however.I remember reading his column in each issue of B&S and he seemed to mention that track almost weekly.
Being a slow one ,it never got played a lot that I recall,but one that I grew to like and worth a listen

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=elGifrAU5xg
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Originally Posted by baggycasual View Post
 

A couple or more seasons ago Fred Perry put out some polo's in their 'Laurel Wreath' collection which had longer sleeves than their standard polo's. Not sure if they were all the way to the elbow. I suspect trying to cash in on the heritage sub cultural link, nothing more.

 

Edit, ah, here you go:

 

I complain about modern polos having the sleeves too short,but those seem a bit too long IMO ( not keen on the covered buttons either).I notice the collar curling up too,not a sign of good quality particularly on a new shirt.

I buy Hanes beefy polos now,the sleeve length is right for me,thick material by modern standards,lots of colours,good price and no logo.

I even have some long sleeve ones that I wear under a Harrington in the winter,however my Harrington will be going to the back of the cupboard for a while if the current "revival" takes off here.


Edited by cerneabbas - 2/25/14 at 12:29am
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

I'm not doing an 'I was there first' thing here, but I recall the type of garment (not necessarily a Fred Perry, and sometimes long-sleeved like a John Smedley) being worn in Blackpool in 67/68. I had a couple by 68. I saw one exactly the same as one I had - blue with white piping - in London (well, Bromley in N Kent actually) being worn by a young mod when I arrived there in 68; he went on to become one of the skinheads of 69, without changing much about his clothes and hairstyle.
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Would that be the sort of long-sleeved shirt (as you say like John Smedley but nylon? yikes) known as BanLon, MoM? I remember them being popular menswear in late 60s. Not especially mod - my Dad had a couple satisfied.gif and I had one when I was about 10 (1967); think it came from M&S.

I honestly can't remember. I was 'brand-blind' in 67/68 apart from 'Levis'.
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I wanted to mention there are some good bargains currently at the Austin Reed sale of relevance.   I picked up a great oxblood pea coat for 68 in store (less than online!):

Maybe not 'our' style, but I like it.
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I was earlier moaning about the disproportionately large FP logo. Then I stupidly go and purchase a BD in a Brobdingnagian-size gingham pattern. Couldn't resist the 3 and a half finger collar though.Processed By eBay with ImageMagick, z1.1.0. ||B2

AARGGHH!!!! MY EYES!!!!!

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Maybe not 'our' style, but I like it.

For me it is a twist on Mod/Ivy style wear so works well.  We're quite a broad range when covering the 'trinity' of Mod, Skinhead and Soul related styles across decades.

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Oh :brick:Gawd! I can picture the High Street Shops now.........

Have a look at the Next website,harringtons,macs,button downs etc etc,and they are selling Dr Martens,Levis,Ben Sherman,Loake,Penguin,Pretty Green and Lacoste.

If you have got the right sense of humour your in for a few good laughs this year.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Have a look at the Next website,harringtons,macs,button downs etc etc,and they are selling Dr Martens,Levis,Ben Sherman,Loake,Penguin,Pretty Green and Lacoste.

If you have got the right sense of humour your in for a few good laughs this year.

It's selling 'instant lifestyle' through clothes buying.  

 

These retailers can't offer the communal experience, sense of discovery, allure of danger and intoxicating mystery of evolving through a youth sub-cult. That's why I mentioned 'dressing up' yesterday and why it never flourishes into something lasting, because there isn't a tribal type aspect at the core.   You can't recreate the sense of immersion looking from the outside.   Now that British youth-wear is part of our heritage to be drawn on in a mix and match, the sense of it is increasingly lost, especially as those writing about it on the whole were never part of it.    

 

It's hard to explain the smell of fags,cheap perfume on the girls, the discovery of a rare clothing item on a market or in a vintage shop, getting a dance right and getting appreciative nods, the hand shakes and backslaps, the roar and petrol smell of scooters, getting into the pub underage and sitting quietly watching the older scene leaders chatting, the sense that walking around a corner could involve challenge from locals, being first on a particular record and for a moment being in front of the group, the rejection in the early days of trying too hard and turning up in the wrong item, the rows with your parents 'you're not going out in that', being invited along as part of the group to an allnighter for the first time, being told 'you're one of us'. 

 

All of this is a vital part of the experience whether Mod, skin, soul boy or all three.   For me its why the kids can (and possibly should) wear scene clothing but they can't get it quite right, because they aren't part of a scene that codifies the style and haven't got that competitive edge to get it absolutely right.  Maybe the need for scenes will reemerge as technology becomes so good it becomes boring and kids look for more visceral thrills once more.

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Originally Posted by ThinkSmart View Post
 

It's selling 'instant lifestyle' through clothes buying.

 

These retailers can't offer the communal experience, sense of discovery, allure of danger and intoxicating mystery of evolving through a youth sub-cult. That's why I mentioned 'dressing up' yesterday and why it never flourishes into something lasting, because there isn't a tribal type aspect at the core.   You can't recreate the sense of immersion looking from the outside.   Now that British youth-wear is part of our heritage to be drawn on in a mix and match, the sense of it is increasingly lost, especially as those writing about it on the whole were never part of it.  

 

It's hard to explain the smell of fags,cheap perfume on the girls, the discovery of a rare clothing item on a market or in a vintage shop, getting a dance right and getting appreciative nods, the hand shakes and backslaps, the roar and petrol smell of scooters, getting into the pub underage and sitting quietly watching the older scene leaders chatting, the sense that walking around a corner could involve challenge from locals, being first on a particular record and for a moment being in front of the group, the rejection in the early days of trying too hard and turning up in the wrong item, the rows with your parents 'you're not going out in that', being invited along as part of the group to an allnighter for the first time, being told 'you're one of us'.

 

All of this is a vital part of the experience whether Mod, skin, soul boy or all three.   For me its why the kids can (and possibly should) wear scene clothing but they can't get it quite right, because they aren't part of a scene that codifies the style and haven't got that competitive edge to get it absolutely right.  Maybe the need for scenes will reemerge as technology becomes so good it becomes boring and kids look for more visceral thrills once more.

Good post.

Yes the kids can wear all the clothes,they could even get the look totally right but it wouldn't really be the same now too much has changed around us.

I have seen  comments made on football sites by blokes over 50 saying how the atmosphere has changed ( died) at matches now compared with the 60s /70s,how to get the atmosphere back they ask ? maybe safe standing ? it wont work because people have changed ,their expectations have changed. Health and safety rules ( no smoking in grounds now for instance ) stricter stewarding,much higher prices and a change in the fans themselves from mainly working class males to families,you cant just recreate the old atmosphere when there have been so many changes.

You mention tribalism and I think that you are spot on,a group of young skinheads going to watch their local team play were part of a tribe,now a young lad calls himself a Man Utd ( or Chelsea or whoever ) fan because he watches every game on Sky and gets a replica shirt every season,it just isn't going to be the same for him.

I don't think that there will be any youth cults in the future as we knew them,I think that they were part of a certain time,and if there were to be a scene at all I would hope that they made something of their own instead of rehashing older stuff.

I have to say that link that you put up made me think Pete Doherty at a fancy dress party,I wonder now if many people have the innovation to develop their own look,is it just easier to slavishly copy an older look ?

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