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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


Interesting in reading Bryan`s Story(about a Smooth in West London).Never realised that Brutus Check Shirts were still being worn in `74.It goes back to a question I asked(many pages ago),were there Suedeheads etc.still buying Two Tone Mohair Suits in the `71/`72.I had watched "Steptoe And Son - Rides Again"Film and in it they go past a Menswear Shop with full priced Suits in the Window.Interesting read that. smile.gif

I noticed the Brutus check shirt too,was it an undone button down ? or a pointed collar.

I know that Brutus made round collar shirts,but the demise of the button down must have hit them and Ben Sherman hard ( and Jaytex ).

I remember around then cheese cloth shirts being worn here for a very short time.

That single stripe Fred Perry in the Newcastle lads photo is the first time that I can remember seeing one,interesting to see if they have ever remade them over the years.

post #17057 of 18616
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I can't remember Fred Perry being worn in my part of the world at that time but I see roytonboy's recollection of late 1971. Maybe that just didn't register with me or it's another local variation. The only sports brand I remember being sought after was the Slazenger pullover around 1970/ 1971 but very few had the genuine article. Most - like me - had the fake felt panther emblem you could buy in the Market Center in Manchester sewn on.

Funny that you should mention Slazenger,after the Fred Perry topic here I was thinking about Slazenger this morning,I had one of their polos at some stage and it was a good quality shirt then they seemed to go over to very cheap materials and I only ever see their stuff in cheap sports outlets now a pity.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

I also remember reading about another supposed Mod re-revival in the NME in 1994. Centred round the Blow Up club and the band Menswear. Didn't really live up to the hyping it got in the music press.

I guess it clashed with the mix and match aesthetic of the 'Britpop' scene. You had that private-school-mockney singer from Blur wearing a FP with a Fila track top, and that singer from Oasis wearing a Ben Sherman (un-tucked like a tramp) in combination with a pair of baggy jeans. Stylistically all over the place. A lot to answer for that bunch. That Oasis chap is now even 'getting it all wrong' on a grand scale with his Soylent Green (or whatever it's called) clothing line.

On the whole I don't think there is the need to belong to a scene in the way there seemed to be years ago.   A wide ranging mixture of boredom, kids with a lack of family support, interest in the new and music culture being the latest thing combined to create that sense of identity and belonging in a youth tribe.   Kids now have less need to define themselves as different from each other and more opportunity to entertain themselves.   I also think that music culture is for many less important.   My son is deeply into hip hop and says it is quite rare for anyone at his age (15) to be 'into' anything or wanting to be in any definable group.   Scenes now are more transient and seem to me a fun dressing up style activity, nothing wrong with that when young but kids don't / can't 'hang around' with like minded souls so much now.

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Originally Posted by ThinkSmart View Post
 

On the whole I don't think there is the need to belong to a scene in the way there seemed to be years ago.   A wide ranging mixture of boredom, kids with a lack of family support, interest in the new and music culture being the latest thing combined to create that sense of identity and belonging in a youth tribe.   Kids now have less need to define themselves as different from each other and more opportunity to entertain themselves.   I also think that music culture is for many less important.   My son is deeply into hip hop and says it is quite rare for anyone at his age (15) to be 'into' anything or wanting to be in any definable group.   Scenes now are more transient and seem to me a fun dressing up style activity, nothing wrong with that when young but kids don't / can't 'hang around' with like minded souls so much now.

Hello ThinkSmart,You have made some interesting observations,I have sometimes wondered if we would have had the internet,24 hour tv and all that kids have access to now,would we have been like we were ?.

One thing is for sure, a kid now even one dressed in a Harrington and brogues has very different ideas to ours.

post #17060 of 18616
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Thanks, roytonboy (and browniecj and Gsvs5) for pronunciation hints.

I guess you'll be watching out for the new Northern Soul film due for release soon?

I've seen that quote before and IMO I think that it's spot on. Personally at that time I was not a huge soul fan but there were a few people from my year at school who were regulars at Wigan Casino right from the beginning and they all came from mod/ skinhead/ suedehead ... Equally most who wore mod/ skinhead/ suedehead were into soul (and a lot moved onto following The Faces - similar to Gsvs5's recollections). Interesting question to me now is was it the music you were into that pushed you into the fashion or vice versa? Both were such big things about identity back then.

Certainly the Fashion,and probably the influence of the Faces haircuts was the "First Step".
Suedeheads with outgrown hair needed some styling.Once that happened the clothes quickly followed.Up to that point,I had blindly dismissed "White" music,but the adoption of an existing flash vagabond street style that was equal parts Bohemian Mod and Thrift Shop thievery,opened the doors to the music that was to provide the soundtrack.Everything taken very seriously and yet tongue in cheek.Once you had experienced a Faces gig ( or Bolan for many) then that was a point of no return.Though Soul was and is still my foundation,I was beginning to wonder about the direction it was going.70/71 a band like Chairman of the Board were putting out current music I still enjoyed.i distinctly recall buying The Commodores LP in 1974 and questioning everything?
That was the major turning point for me along with Wigan exposing what was still in my mind a rare scene and changeing it forever.i was happy to move on.
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

browniecj - Whilst it is widely known that Mods were wearing mohair suits in the mid sixties, were they ever two-tone material? A tone-tone suit has come to be regarded as a 'mod' staple (just as Doc. Martens are for skinheads) yet I never saw two-tone or 'tonik' material (other than jacket or coat linings) until 1971. Tonik trousers became widely worn in our area from mid 1971 through 1972. (which I regard as the suedehead period) At this time we did discuss how great it would be to own a two tone suit, but none of us ever did and I can't recall ever seeing anyone wearing one. That said, I'm sure that some people were wearing them in other  areas.

Early in 1971 we started wearing blazers and trousers, initially in Prince of Wales check, (dogstooth not worn in our vicinity) then toniks. Later, suit jackets also started to be worn, sometimes with jeans, sometimes with trousers, but interestingly, not as suits. Late 1972 black blazers with coloured edging and very long single back vents became trendy but they were not seen for very long. Then it was all over.......

The first Two Tone Mohair Suit was Gunmetal,(Grey and Black),very smart.Later it became Blue and Black(which is referred to as Sharkskin).After that the various Shades came in.Always liked Dogstooth-would have liked a Suit in it,but.....smile.gif
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I was earlier moaning about the disproportionately large FP logo. Then I stupidly go and purchase a BD in a Brobdingnagian-size gingham pattern. Couldn't resist the 3 and a half finger collar though.Processed By eBay with ImageMagick, z1.1.0. ||B2

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I can't remember Fred Perry being worn in my part of the world at that time but I see roytonboy's recollection of late 1971. Maybe that just didn't register with me or it's another local variation. The only sports brand I remember being sought after was the Slazenger pullover around 1970/ 1971 but very few had the genuine article. Most - like me - had the fake felt panther emblem you could buy in the Market Center in Manchester sewn on.


The 69-71 period - plain Fred Perry's were the norm for work and play.  I remember the striped collars and cuffs coming in fashion but I cannot recall when.  I know I did not like them and was unable to get the old originals

 

Does any one remember the Polo shirts that became fashionable during late 80s / 90s where the sleeves came down to the elbows - terrible no style at all

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post


I spoke some time ago about Lacoste and them being around in the South in the mid'70's Inks.We used to get them cheap from Macy's in New York.They were first spotted ( at least by me ) being worn en-masse by the Scandinavians in Ibiza and Exchange Students on the Isle of Wight !
I think a solid plain white FP is a timeless Classic however,not worn tight,with a good pr of strides and NO braces.

Lacoste was popular in Shoreditch/Hoxton in 76-79 onwards, quite a few of my mates, just ordinary blokes, wore it along with desert boots or Kickers and Fjorucci jeans or cords and macs - Burberry....then into the casual look of the 80s

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Did originals ever wear the Façonnable and Original Penguin polos?

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Did originals ever wear the Façonnable and Original Penguin polos?

Having talked with old early Mod mates and those who evolved through the soul scene.... no they didn't really.   Indeed Fred Perry was only worn by girls at first.  John Smedley was more widely worn.  From the early 1970s Gabicci ('73 I think) and slightly later Peter Werth (about 1976) started to appear.   Farah was about too but none of these had a brand cachet, they were just what men wore with Gabicci becoming scene wear later on.  However most polos I remember from the early 1970s onwards weren't branded other than Slazenger.   There were a lot of Italian waffle knit polos about.   I bet there were more C&A polos about than branded back then.   Outside London branded clothes were quite hard to find when I grew up in the 70s and early 80s unless you went to top end department stores.   The sport shop boom hadn't started.   Most Fred Perry polos I saw were vintage, there were (and are) a number of vintage shops in Nottingham that we all used to trawl for FP and Lacoste (very rare back then).  It's possible that Façonnable was worn a bit as some Mods went to Paris (there are pictures) to look at the culture and clothing, so could have picked some up.   The cult of Original Penguin is a comparatively recent thing I think, nobody I knew ever mentioned it and it's not mentioned much if I recall by older Mods/skins/suedehead/soul fans.

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Here in part is why the skinhead look is back:

http://www.fashionyourseatbelts.net/2011/12/made-in-britain.html

 

A feature in FHIM.  I think it's been coming around for a while but magazine features will give it a boost.

post #17068 of 18616
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Originally Posted by Sirryacus View Post

Did originals ever wear the Façonnable and Original Penguin polos?

Did not hear about Penguin until years later.I do like then though.

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Originally Posted by ThinkSmart View Post

Here in part is why the skinhead look is back:
http://www.fashionyourseatbelts.net/2011/12/made-in-britain.html

A feature in FHIM.  I think it's been coming around for a while but magazine features will give it a boost.

Oh :brick:Gawd! I can picture the High Street Shops now.........
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post


The first Two Tone Mohair Suit was Gunmetal,(Grey and Black),very smart.Later it became Blue and Black(which is referred to as Sharkskin).After that the various Shades came in.Always liked Dogstooth-would have liked a Suit in it,but.....smile.gif

 

Are we talking 1967/68?

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Apparently quite a few older celebs wore Penguin but the only example I can find is of Clint Eastwood and he looked aged a little bit so I venture to say its from probably from the 70's.

 

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