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post #17026 of 19271
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

That's pretty much how I remember things here too ( although sometimes I know that my memory is wrong about years etc).

I remember that my first FPs were much thicker material than now,one was light blue with navy and white trim ( thought that would have been your choice) and a black one with white and red trim.

I wonder when FP introduced the shirts with trim ? as the first ones that I saw were plain white and I think dark green ?.

I was looking about the other day for a polo with trim ( not a Fred Perry ) and no logo,in a decent material,couldnt find much choice.

As for some people having a downer on skinheads,I am not sure that it is ( always) for sartorial reasons,I remember a conversation with a girl many years ago when she said that she disliked skinheads because she associated them with gangs beating people up and sticking the boot into them whilst they were helpless on the floor,Ipointed out that this wasn't just skinheads ( but having seen it happen,I couldn't totally deny it).

 

cerneabbas - absolutely! I had an experience only a couple of weeks ago.I was taking a group and I was explaining the term 'incompatible' in relation to chemicals. Someone said,  "Oh, you mean like a Goth and a Skinhead" so I said that that was a good way of putting it, adding that I used to be a skinhead. Cue puzzled and slightly alarmed stare from said group member, so I asked, "what does skinhead mean to you" and he replied, "Shaved heads and paki-bashing" This was a bloke 2 years older than me, originally from the West Midlands who also told me that in his teens he used to ride a scooter!

post #17027 of 19271
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

As usual regional differences i guess. This well-known picture (used for a magazine, but this is the original one), dated 1970, is named "a gang of teenage skinheads". The black lad is wearing  a white FP and braces.

 

 

As always! Interesting to note the beret on the individual on the far right of the photo.By the summer of 1970 this had pretty much died out in our area. (had you not dated this photo, I would have said it was from 1980!)

 

 It also raised a smile to read the Newcastle fan stating that   "by 1970, in the main, it was all over by us." Didn't we see the documentary about Newcastle skinheads filmed in late 1971? I was at St. James's Park on 25th March 1972 and there were still local skinheads (crops and all) around the stadium then. I can assure you, as a 17 year old visiting fan, I was well attuned to these matters!

 

It all goes to show how the mind (and memory) can play tricks on us..........


Edited by roytonboy - 2/23/14 at 1:30pm
post #17028 of 19271
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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Don't know if we've had a link to this before but Soul Source forum has a transcript of Dave Godin's article about The Twisted Wheel from Blues & Soul magazine Issue 50 (January 1971):

http://www.soul-source.co.uk/_/words/the-twisted-wheel-blues-and-soul-by-dave-godin-r1926

An interesting read generally, with some comments on hair styles and fashion but specific interest for us in references to the Manchester driving gloves look:

"... I noticed a style that I have not yet seen in London (but which I am sure will eventually drift down this way) in that very many young fellows wore black "right on now" racing gloves. Apart from looking cool and groovy they also serve a utilitarian purpose for the dancing there is of such a high standard that a certain degree of acrobatic skill is incorporated, and when really carried away whole rows of lithe young bodies bend over backwards and touch the floor with their hands!"

That look's not new to us on here, but I thought I'd post the link as some contemporaneous, independent corroboration (m'lud) that might be of use for the book.

On a personal note, less than 12 months after this article I was wearing driving gloves with my Crombie completely unaware at the time of the Twisted Wheel or any "right on now" connection.

(As a complete aside, can anyone tell me how Dave Godin's name is pronounced: Go-din or God-in?)


Dave God-in.
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yeshvq5wZeo

The Nighter ,at the beginning,was Blackburn.Used to go there in the 80s.I was there when they did the Filming and most people stayed out the way of the Camera.Always a great night.smile.gif
post #17029 of 19271
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Originally Posted by LelandJ View Post

Think the one that got me hooked all those years ago was Brothers Of Soul I'd Be Grateful on Boo. Shame northern soul scene never existed in the states. 


There was during the 80s(I believe)in New York.Their Flyers always had the Empire State Building on it.Two of the Promoters came over and I met them-along with a few others-in the 100 Club Allnighter.They did say that it was not known as "Northern" Stateside but,if my memory serves me right,as "Dusties".
post #17030 of 19271
Fred Perrys (with a single Stripe) appeared about the early 60s.They were worn alongside the plain FPs.Interestingly they would wear their Sleeves rolled over once.The Twin Striped Collar FP came in about `68.
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All the FP chat gave me a hankering for a nice un-trimmed plain white. I had plenty of trimmed ones as a lad ; red with navy, grey with red, black(or two wash charcoal) with yellow. I sort of gave up on FP when the Britpop end of bells started sporting them. And yes, there is something more acceptable about the laurel logo, then say, every other shirt-logo ever.

Then I came across this.

Of all the clothing companies, I thought FP might have been immune to the 'ridiculous-sized-breast-logo' disease.

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Originally Posted by elwood View Post

Worth looking at latest post (29.1.14) on Ballroom Blitz:

http://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/

Recollections of an original whose photos have appeared in this thread.


Interesting in reading Bryan`s Story(about a Smooth in West London).Never realised that Brutus Check Shirts were still being worn in `74.It goes back to a question I asked(many pages ago),were there Suedeheads etc.still buying Two Tone Mohair Suits in the `71/`72.I had watched "Steptoe And Son - Rides Again"Film and in it they go past a Menswear Shop with full priced Suits in the Window.Interesting read that. smile.gif
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FP polo's.As we have read Lacoste invented the "Polo/Tennis" shirt first.My question is did anyone see Lacoste polo's being worn in the 60's instead of FP? Personally I think the Twin Tipped is the Coolest look.The color combo's are always interesting,Black/Yellow being one of my favorites.

post #17034 of 19271
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Originally Posted by yankmod View Post
 

FP polo's.As we have read Lacoste invented the "Polo/Tennis" shirt first.My question is did anyone see Lacoste polo's being worn in the 60's instead of FP? Personally I think the Twin Tipped is the Coolest look.The color combo's are always interesting,Black/Yellow being one of my favorites.

I don't think I saw anyone (under 30) wearing a Lacoste polo shirt till at least the early 1980s. And they were Casuals. Lacoste were just too expensive for what they were, even if I wanted one. You could probably get four FPs for the price of a Lacoste polo. At least here in west London.

Jack Lemmon did wear a lemon-yellow Lacoste polo in The Odd Couple in 1968.

post #17035 of 19271
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Originally Posted by browniecj View Post

There was during the 80s(I believe)in New York.Their Flyers always had the Empire State Building on it.Two of the Promoters came over and I met them-along with a few others-in the 100 Club Allnighter.They did say that it was not known as "Northern" Stateside but,if my memory serves me right,as "Dusties".

I went to a night run as "The empire state soul club" .it was in TriBeCa .i think it was on a Tuesday or Thursday in a place on Hudson St.If I recall correctly,it would have been '89-91 .Hence the Empire State Building on the promo Colin.
post #17036 of 19271
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Originally Posted by Inks View Post

I don't think I saw anyone (under 30) wearing a Lacoste polo shirt till at least the early 1980s. And they were Casuals. Lacoste were just too expensive for what they were, even if I wanted one. You could probably get four FPs for the price of a Lacoste polo. At least here in west London.
Jack Lemmon did wear a lemon-yellow Lacoste polo in The Odd Couple in 1968.

I spoke some time ago about Lacoste and them being around in the South in the mid'70's Inks.We used to get them cheap from Macy's in New York.They were first spotted ( at least by me ) being worn en-masse by the Scandinavians in Ibiza and Exchange Students on the Isle of Wight !
I think a solid plain white FP is a timeless Classic however,not worn tight,with a good pr of strides and NO braces.
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Still in the 90s & 2000's Lacoste polo's were associated with casuals nowhere near if at all to the extent FP's were. Personally, I think Lacoste had a bad image because of the kind of people that wore them, maybe a lot of that was stereotyped. However, if it wasn't football hooligans it seemed to be middle aged or older people that wore them. So not so hip or cool. As someone else mentioned they were prohibitively expensive, especially if you were quite young. I'm quite surprised someone said FP's are so thin now because despite them being cheaper than Lacoste's they are actually thicker and heavier. However, I think polo's across the board have become thinner and thinner. I had a couple of Yves Saint Lauren polo's in the 90's and they were easily thicker and quality wise superior to both. They lasted years and many, many washes. To an extent I regret throwing them out, though they had become really too small. Having said all this, I couldn't resist to finally see what all the fuss was about with Lacoste's so bought a couple in the sale off their official website also using a discount and free delivery code. An L.12.12 at £40 is still overpriced in my opinion! I just managed to get a FP Made in England black with champagne trim for £35 elsewhere which I'm very happy with, very smart. If anyone is tempted with Lacoste, I would recommend to buy a size down in L.12.12 fit as they are very big. Luckily I was aware of this before I ordered. Stay away from the cheaper Sport fit which is even thinner and never plain, they are all slightly ribbed. 

post #17038 of 19271
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

As always! Interesting to note the beret on the individual on the far right of the photo.By the summer of 1970 this had pretty much died out in our area. (had you not dated this photo, I would have said it was from 1980!)

 

 

Roytonboy, tbh i had a doubt when i red your post. So i found the website of the photographic press agency, and it says "1970s". So the date is not sure at all... Could finally be 2nd wave skinheads, and the guy with the beret Captain Sensible :) ?

 

Speaking of the Lacoste cost, they have always been expensive, and even here (France) in the time you could buy at least three FP for the price of a Lacoste ! The weird thing is that now they are almost the same price !


Edited by Clouseau - 2/23/14 at 3:06pm
post #17039 of 19271
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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post


I spoke some time ago about Lacoste and them being around in the South in the mid'70's Inks.We used to get them cheap from Macy's in New York.They were first spotted ( at least by me ) being worn en-masse by the Scandinavians in Ibiza and Exchange Students on the Isle of Wight !
I think a solid plain white FP is a timeless Classic however,not worn tight,with a good pr of strides and NO braces.

I bought an olive green RL Harrington in Macy's for the equivalent of £20 in the mid-90s. It was like shopping at Selfridges, but with TK Maxx prices. You definitely get a feeling you're being ripped off back in London when you clothes shop in NYC.

post #17040 of 19271
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

As always! Interesting to note the beret on the individual on the far right of the photo.By the summer of 1970 this had pretty much died out in our area. (had you not dated this photo, I would have said it was from 1980!)

 

 It also raised a smile to read the Newcastle fan stating that   "by 1970, in the main, it was all over by us." Didn't we see the documentary about Newcastle skinheads filmed in late 1971? I was at St. James's Park on 25th March 1972 and there were still local skinheads (crops and all) around the stadium then. I can assure you, as a 17 year old visiting fan, I was well attuned to these matters!

 

It all goes to show how the mind (and memory) can play tricks on us..........

I wondered about the date of that picture too,I would have expected them to be wearing tighter jeans around 1980 though.

I also thought the same about the Newcastle lad saying all over with them by 1970,that would have been in advance of what I remember here,however maybe the older lads here were moving on then too and it just took a while to filter down to us "young uns".

I always admit that my memory isn't great on years but I have it in my mind that Christmas 71 was the real change here,the round collar shirts and tank tops appeared then and button downs disappeared.

I never owned a tank top ( and I never wanted one ) and I only remember having one round collar shirt ( I didn't like them either) so maybe that's why I bought the FPs around that time,as an alternative.

The one thing that did hang on here with many football fans was the Crombie,I remember seeing Rovers fans on the bus wearing crombies coming home from winter night games in 73,one lad I knew kept wearing one until about 75 ( Dr Marten boots were also still worn to football for a long time too ).

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