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Worth looking at latest post (29.1.14) on Ballroom Blitz:

http://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/

Recollections of an original whose photos have appeared in this thread.
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Worth looking at latest post (29.1.14) on Ballroom Blitz:

http://theballroomblitz.wordpress.com/

Recollections of an original whose photos have appeared in this thread.

That was interesting elwood,it gave some context to the photos that we have seen.

He seemed to see different styles on his trips to away matches as well,I wonder what he was doing in Plymouth maybe his mum had a caravan in Cornwall or something.

I cant remember Fred Perry polos being worn here between 69 and 71 ( I know that his photo is earlier and that they weren't called polos then),do you remember them being worn in Manchester then ?

I think that I bought my first in 72 or maybe 73,definitely from a club book ( Littlewoods maybe) and they must have been on special offer because I bought 2,I also had an FP v neck about then as well,but I don't remember them being worn by many other people,when the skinhead revival started here about 78 ? they became very popular.

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Don't know if we've had a link to this before but Soul Source forum has a transcript of Dave Godin's article about The Twisted Wheel from Blues & Soul magazine Issue 50 (January 1971):

http://www.soul-source.co.uk/_/words/the-twisted-wheel-blues-and-soul-by-dave-godin-r1926

An interesting read generally, with some comments on hair styles and fashion but specific interest for us in references to the Manchester driving gloves look:

"... I noticed a style that I have not yet seen in London (but which I am sure will eventually drift down this way) in that very many young fellows wore black "right on now" racing gloves. Apart from looking cool and groovy they also serve a utilitarian purpose for the dancing there is of such a high standard that a certain degree of acrobatic skill is incorporated, and when really carried away whole rows of lithe young bodies bend over backwards and touch the floor with their hands!"

That look's not new to us on here, but I thought I'd post the link as some contemporaneous, independent corroboration (m'lud) that might be of use for the book.

On a personal note, less than 12 months after this article I was wearing driving gloves with my Crombie completely unaware at the time of the Twisted Wheel or any "right on now" connection.

(As a complete aside, can anyone tell me how Dave Godin's name is pronounced: Go-din or God-in?)

 

elwood - over the years I have heard it pronounced both ways in TV/video clips by people who knew him or met him at the time so I guess it is one of those (man-datory or manda-tory?) where either is acceptable. Some good posts over the last couple of days so thanks elwood, Gsvs5 and Botolph. I even read another link on the ballroomblitz site about a girls recollections 'from mod to skinhead' which I also enjoyed.

 

Lots of mention of soul music which obviously captured my interest. My sister bought me the new book 'NORTHERN SOUL - an illustrated history' for Christmas and there was one stand out quote  which appears a couple of times:

 

''If there is someone on the northern soul scene that was neither a Mod or a Skinhead before they became a soul person then they've sneaked in through the back door, because in truth those three cultures are one. They are the same aesthetic.I can explain it because I want people to be clear on this, they are the holy trinity of British youth culture"

 

Obviously, just one person's opinion, but it certainly resonated with me!


Edited by roytonboy - 2/22/14 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

That was interesting elwood,it gave some context to the photos that we have seen.

He seemed to see different styles on his trips to away matches as well,I wonder what he was doing in Plymouth maybe his mum had a caravan in Cornwall or something.

I cant remember Fred Perry polos being worn here between 69 and 71 ( I know that his photo is earlier and that they weren't called polos then),do you remember them being worn in Manchester then ?

I think that I bought my first in 72 or maybe 73,definitely from a club book ( Littlewoods maybe) and they must have been on special offer because I bought 2,I also had an FP v neck about then as well,but I don't remember them being worn by many other people,when the skinhead revival started here about 78 ? they became very popular.

 

Fred Perry's started to be worn late in 1971 around Manchester, often under a v-neck long sleeve pullover (which was not usually Fred Perry, though some individuals may have had one). I had a deep red one with navy trim which I wore in this manner. Either a navy  or sky blue pullover. Definitely wore this to Blackpool on Easter Monday 1972 (as reported in an earlier post). One of those items of clothing that was Mod and then reappeared during Suedehead. I certainly never saw a Fred Perry and a crop on the same person 1969/70 in our area and ABSOLUTELY, MOST DEFINITELY NOT worn skin tight with braces showing over them as worn in the late 70's /early 80s revival. (little wonder people have got such a downer on skinheads.....)

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Fred Perry's started to be worn late in 1971 around Manchester, often under a v-neck long sleeve pullover (which was not Fred Perry). I had a deep red one with navy trim which I wore in this manner. Either a navy  or sky blue pullover. Definitely wore this to Blackpool on Easter Monday 1972 (as reported in an earlier post). One of those items of clothing that was Mod and then reappeared during Suedehead. I certainly never saw a Fred Perry and a crop on the same person 1969/70 in our area and ABSOLUTELY, MOST DEFINITELY NOT worn skin tight with braces showing over them as worn in the late 70's /early 80s revival. (little wonder people have got such a downer on skinheads.....)

That's pretty much how I remember things here too ( although sometimes I know that my memory is wrong about years etc).

I remember that my first FPs were much thicker material than now,one was light blue with navy and white trim ( thought that would have been your choice) and a black one with white and red trim.

I wonder when FP introduced the shirts with trim ? as the first ones that I saw were plain white and I think dark green ?.

I was looking about the other day for a polo with trim ( not a Fred Perry ) and no logo,in a decent material,couldnt find much choice.

As for some people having a downer on skinheads,I am not sure that it is ( always) for sartorial reasons,I remember a conversation with a girl many years ago when she said that she disliked skinheads because she associated them with gangs beating people up and sticking the boot into them whilst they were helpless on the floor,Ipointed out that this wasn't just skinheads ( but having seen it happen,I couldn't totally deny it).


Edited by cerneabbas - 2/22/14 at 2:29am
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I always found the trimmed Fred Perry/braces combo ugly, maybe it looked a little better with a plain white polo and black braces (see The Specials drummer, sometimes i think he wore too a plain black polo with white braces, not all the time FP).

I don't know when first appeared the FP with double trim, but i saw pics dated 1970, so it must be earlier.  

The plain FP shirt was first sold in 1952. Personnaly i always liked best (to this day) the plain FP shirt with no piping. I remember that in the late seventies/early eighties they were (at least here) easier to find than the other ones, and were a "must have". The first i had was a plain red, three buttons, white laurel.

 


Edited by Clouseau - 2/22/14 at 9:44am
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Now, I think that they look nice and I don't really like DMs.

I've been without computer access for a while so I was trying to catch up and read through what has been posted since I last read but I felt compelled to show these at this point. I'm not to sure where your up to now but I will catch up.
These are my Solovair long wings. I like them, infact I would go as far to say they are duckin beauties. I can't see a day when I will be able to afford Aldens so I will be happy with these, I'll also have the best looking feet for miles around.q
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The Herring Silverstones look alright. For those of us that don't wear trainers, they seem to be an decent option. As it is, there's only really Monkey Boots. Bowling shoes only seem to come in twatish colours nowadays, and they're not really me. Even in black, bowling shoes don't last five minutes outdoors.
The Herring Silverstones remind me of the cycling shoes that Mods sometimes used to wear in summertime with the white jeans/cycling jersey combo. The only other trainer shoe I've seen as an option were the Onitsuka Tiger Nippon. Even those are still too 'casual'' for me.
Not sure about the Brogue motif, but they're not the dog's-breakfast the Kickers are. Interesting.

The onitsuka tiger are a nice trainer almost identical to the Adidas Italia which is formed from super soft kangaroo skin.
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Fred Perry's started to be worn late in 1971 around Manchester, often under a v-neck long sleeve pullover (which was not usually Fred Perry, though some individuals may have had one). I had a deep red one with navy trim which I wore in this manner. Either a navy  or sky blue pullover. Definitely wore this to Blackpool on Easter Monday 1972 (as reported in an earlier post). One of those items of clothing that was Mod and then reappeared during Suedehead. I certainly never saw a Fred Perry and a crop on the same person 1969/70 in our area and ABSOLUTELY, MOST DEFINITELY NOT worn skin tight with braces showing over them as worn in the late 70's /early 80s revival. (little wonder people have got such a downer on skinheads.....)

I'm not doing an 'I was there first' thing here, but I recall the type of garment (not necessarily a Fred Perry, and sometimes long-sleeved like a John Smedley) being worn in Blackpool in 67/68. I had a couple by 68. I saw one exactly the same as one I had - blue with white piping - in London (well, Bromley in N Kent actually) being worn by a young mod when I arrived there in 68; he went on to become one of the skinheads of 69, without changing much about his clothes and hairstyle.

I can also recall seeing similar shirts being worn by kids in the 'Mods' picture book.

Here's the only picture of me taken in Blackpool in early 68. I hate it. I was wearing a polo shirt under a crew-neck sweater, as some of us did. I think it looks bloody awful and I hate the photo.



I've just recalled when that pic was taken. Someone snapped me as I came out of the coffee bar where we all used to hang out. I can't recall exactly where it was, but sometimes in summer we would take our drinks outside and sit on the pavement. I can remember it being raided by the Drug Squad once, and I was hauled in because the copper thought I looked stoned.
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Think the one that got me hooked all those years ago was Brothers Of Soul I'd Be Grateful on Boo. Shame northern soul scene never existed in the states. 

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I certainly never saw a Fred Perry and a crop on the same person 1969/70 in our area and ABSOLUTELY, MOST DEFINITELY NOT worn skin tight with braces showing over them as worn in the late 70's /early 80s revival. (little wonder people have got such a downer on skinheads.....)

As usual regional differences i guess. This well-known picture (used for a magazine, but this is the original one), dated 1970, is named "a gang of teenage skinheads". The black lad is wearing  a white FP and braces.

 

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I always found the trimmed Fred Perry/braces combo ugly, maybe it looked a little better with a plain white polo and black braces (see The Specials drummer, sometimes i think he wore too a plain black polo with white braces, not all the time FP).

I don't know when first appeared the FP with double trim, but i saw pics dated 1970, so it must be earlier.

The plain FP shirt was first sold in 1952. Personnaly i always liked best (to this day) the plain FP shirt with no piping. I remember that in the late seventies/early eighties they were (at least here) easier to find than the other ones, and were a "must have". The first i had was a plain red, three buttons, white laurel.

 

Clouseau.Your post jogged my memory,plain FPs had to be 3 button,there were 2 button shirts but they were regarded as not being the proper job.

I remember going to see West Ham play and in a shop window near the ground they had the trimmed FPs in the club colours,white with claret and light blue stripes...light blue shirt with white and claret stripes,and a claret shirt with white and light blue stripes.

I had a claret one ( this must have late 70s I think ) but i remember that it faded very quickly,at some stage I had a plain white tennis  FP and it was very long,I don't know if it was a dodgy one.

BTW in a post the other day you mentioned John King,I haven't read the Skinhead book but I bought Football Factory when it came out  and then Headhunters and England Away,I really liked the first 2,I think that some of his characters and the situations were very true to life ( well my life anyway ).

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I've been without computer access for a while so I was trying to catch up and read through what has been posted since I last read but I felt compelled to show these at this point. I'm not to sure where your up to now but I will catch up.
These are my Solovair long wings. I like them, infact I would go as far to say they are duckin beauties. I can't see a day when I will be able to afford Aldens so I will be happy with these, I'll also have the best looking feet for miles around.q

A good looking shoe IMO,and probably comfortable too.

I think that you make a good point about what you can afford and be happy with,you mentioned Herring brogue boots made by Loake in another post,I think they are good value for the money and I am happy with mine.

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Clouseau.Your post jogged my memory,plain FPs had to be 3 button,there were 2 button shirts but they were regarded as not being the proper job.

I remember going to see West Ham play and in a shop window near the ground they had the trimmed FPs in the club colours,white with claret and light blue stripes...light blue shirt with white and claret stripes,and a claret shirt with white and light blue stripes.

I had a claret one ( this must have late 70s I think ) but i remember that it faded very quickly,at some stage I had a plain white tennis  FP and it was very long,I don't know if it was a dodgy one.

BTW in a post the other day you mentioned John King,I haven't read the Skinhead book but I bought Football Factory when it came out  and then Headhunters and England Away,I really liked the first 2,I think that some of his characters and the situations were very true to life ( well my life anyway ).


Cerneabbas. You have jogged my memory re FPs. The FP site claims that it was West Ham supporters that first asked for tipped collars in the WHU colours but I thought this was a myth. My cousin part of the mid sixties North Bank claims it was true however, and he even has a Made in England FP in the colours today. The only polo shirt you could buy as a kid was a FP and my mum bought me and my brother FPs to go on holiday in the early '60's. I have a holiday photo with me, my brother, Dad and his mate all wearing FPs at a Warners holiday camp. FP is one of the few logos I can accept and even like. I always have a few FPs in the wardrobe although I prefer John Smedley today.

Was the shop in Green Street, the Bobby Moore Sports shop, where you bought your FP?

I have also read the John King books and thought they were near the mark.

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Cerneabbas. You have jogged my memory re FPs. The FP site claims that it was West Ham supporters that first asked for tipped collars in the WHU colours but I thought this was a myth. My cousin part of the mid sixties North Bank claims it was true however, and he even has a Made in England FP in the colours today. The only polo shirt you could buy as a kid was a FP and my mum bought me and my brother FPs to go on holiday in the early '60's. I have a holiday photo with me, my brother, Dad and his mate all wearing FPs at a Warners holiday camp. FP is one of the few logos I can accept and even like. I always have a few FPs in the wardrobe although I prefer John Smedley today.

Was the shop in Green Street, the Bobby Moore Sports shop, where you bought your FP?

I have also read the John King books and thought they were near the mark.

Bob the Badger.Now that is an interesting one,just goes to show what can be found out on this thread.

The shop that I saw the FPs displayed in was on the Barking road by a bus stop,the other side of the road from the Boleyn ( I didn't buy my claret FP there ),I did buy a West Ham t shirt in the Bobby Moore shop though.

Now I think about it I am not sure if I saw the white shirt with the claret and blue stripes in any other shops.

I probably would have another FP now,but the material is so thin and they were £65 !! when I saw some the other week.

Yes you could tell that John King knew what he was writing about,not so sure about Richard Allen though.

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