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A nice looking pre-owned 3-button Ivy League tweed on US ebay.Processed By eBay with ImageMagick, z1.1.0. ||B2

And a 3-button Madras jacket with ticket-pocket from a Thai seller on ebay.Processed By eBay with ImageMagick, z1.1.0. ||B2

I'm ashamed to admit it, but I actually quite like this one. Again, both items are in 'man-child' sizes, rather than 'bloke'

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Dunno if these have been mentioned before but:

Re: vintage madras, try O'Connell's in Buffalo, NY...they have a boatload of trad/ivy items and lots of NOS stuff (most of which isn't listed on their website).

For authentic Ivy-style button down collar shirts, Mercer & Sons makes the best I've seen. Even better than some of the vintage BB oxfords I've got. Not cheap though.
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Originally Posted by cvac View Post

Dunno if these have been mentioned before but:

Re: vintage madras, try O'Connell's in Buffalo, NY...they have a boatload of trad/ivy items and lots of NOS stuff (most of which isn't listed on their website).

For authentic Ivy-style button down collar shirts, Mercer & Sons makes the best I've seen. Even better than some of the vintage BB oxfords I've got. Not cheap though.

Very nice stuff in O'Connell's. The tweed Baracuta, and the goatskin Baracuta are really something special. Not to sure about the backs of them, but they're definitely 'Skinhead-Millionaire' items.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

I liked Daltreys tweed / check jacket,if you see them now they have usually got wider lapels than that.

Going back to the Madras shirts,my mate had a couple ( I don't know where he got them from ) the sleeves were the same length as Mr Knightleys but a bit looser,I think that a lot of modern short sleeves are way too short,what were yours like ?.

Yes, I liked the jacket too.  Again it looks a bit bigger / baggier than we tend to associate (wrongly) with that era in retrospect.  It wasn't ultra tight and slim-fitting, at least not  in the way we interpret Mod in 2013 / 14.

 

My shirt is Polo RL and I have heard it said his line is closer to the late 60s model than many current 'designer' offerings.  The collar size, the small buttons used to anchor the collar and (I think) the sleeve treatment are close to what I recall from the time.  The difference is (as my GP pointed out this week) I am a bit porkier than I was in 1969!

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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

Yes, I liked the jacket too.  Again it looks a bit bigger / baggier than we tend to associate (wrongly) with that era in retrospect.  It wasn't ultra tight and slim-fitting, at least not  in the way we interpret Mod in 2013 / 14.

 

My shirt is Polo RL and I have heard it said his line is closer to the late 60s model than many current 'designer' offerings.  The collar size, the small buttons used to anchor the collar and (I think) the sleeve treatment are close to what I recall from the time.  The difference is (as my GP pointed out this week) I am a bit porkier than I was in 1969!

I suppose that jacket would have been caller a "sport coat " then ?,I have seen a nice one recently by Paul Costelloe in brown POW check.

I found the post by Botolph where he mentions buying madras shirts from a Japanese firm a bit depressing,I thought that those shirts were an American staple,sadly like long wing brogues and many other items they are not so readily available it seems.

I doubt that there are too many people around now who are the same size as in 1969,for instance the average womans dress size in the UK is now a 16 apparently,not too many that size "back in the day"....I wont go off subject and compare what we ate then with now though.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

Very nice stuff in O'Connell's. The tweed Baracuta, and the goatskin Baracuta are really something special. Not to sure about the backs of them, but they're definitely 'Skinhead-Millionaire' items.

Have you looked on the Orvis UK site ?,they have tweed "harringtons",suede ones,and some madras shirts and other nice looking button downs..I don't know what their clothes are like quality wise.

BTW I remember that you weren't impressed with the Kickers "brogues",check out the Herring Silverstone,not too sure myself.


Edited by cerneabbas - 1/30/14 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

I suppose that jacket would have been caller a "sport coat " then ?,I have seen a nice one recently by Paul Costelloe in brown POW check.

I found the post by Botolph where he mentions buying madras shirts from a Japanese firm a bit depressing,I thought that those shirts were an American staple,sadly like long wing brogues and many other items they are not so readily available it seems.

I doubt that there are too many people around now who are the same size as in 1969,for instance the average womans dress size in the UK is now a 16 apparently,not too many that size "back in the day"....I wont go off subject and compare what we ate then with now though.

 

 

 

 

  Well there are still a few companies in the U.S. that do madras shirts, but the sizing is usually extremely billowy for me.  I wouldn't want to spend $100+ on a shirt only to take it to the tailors to be darted, etc., for an addtional $50+, ya know?  

  Unfortunately the U.S. isn't the industry standard for clothing that it once was.  Give it another 20-30 years with all these small upstart companies and it may again be.  

In my opinion, Allen Edmonds and Alden still make excellent footwear, and there are plenty of clothes companies who get it right, too-- it's just a matter of aesthetics and taste in clothing.

 

Funny about average sizing RE: then and now.  It's incredible how fat even most children seem to be, especially here in America!  And the food... strange, eh?  

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Have you looked on the Orvis UK site ?,they have tweed "harringtons",suede ones,and some madras shirts and other nice looking button downs..I don't know what their clothes are like quality wise.

BTW I remember that you weren't impressed with the Kickers "brogues",check out the Herring Silverstone,not too sure myself.

The Herring Silverstones look alright. For those of us that don't wear trainers, they seem to be an decent option. As it is, there's only really Monkey Boots. Bowling shoes only seem to come in twatish colours nowadays, and they're not really me. Even in black, bowling shoes don't last five minutes outdoors.

The Herring Silverstones remind me of the cycling shoes that Mods sometimes used to wear in summertime with the white jeans/cycling jersey combo. The only other trainer shoe I've seen as an option were the Onitsuka Tiger Nippon. Even those are still too 'casual'' for me.

Not sure about the Brogue motif, but they're not the dog's-breakfast the Kickers are. Interesting.

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  Well there are still a few companies in the U.S. that do madras shirts, but the sizing is usually extremely billowy for me.  I wouldn't want to spend $100+ on a shirt only to take it to the tailors to be darted, etc., for an addtional $50+, ya know?

  Unfortunately the U.S. isn't the industry standard for clothing that it once was.  Give it another 20-30 years with all these small upstart companies and it may again be.

In my opinion, Allen Edmonds and Alden still make excellent footwear, and there are plenty of clothes companies who get it right, too-- it's just a matter of aesthetics and taste in clothing.

 

Funny about average sizing RE: then and now.  It's incredible how fat even most children seem to be, especially here in America!  And the food... strange, eh?

Botolph..Sorry I misunderstood your post,I thought that you were buying the Japanese shirts as you couldn't find American ones.

I have been critical in the past of younger people being nostalgic about a time that they cant remember,I think that I am guilty of being the same about a United States style that wasn't as widespread as I have thought..growing up in the 60s all that I had to gauge America was tv and films,although even I realised that American farmers didn't wear business suits whilst ploughing the fields like Eddie Albert in Green acres,I probably did assume that most people dressed like Lee Marvin etc,I realise now that the majority wouldn't have.

You are right that Allen Edmonds and Alden still do make excellent products,and I am sure that some clothing companies make good clothes,but whilst searching for brogues I found lots of firms that no longer exist or who make poorer quality shoes now or who have moved there production to other countries with cheaper work forces...Florsheim,Levis,Wrangler, are not making the quality items that they once were famous for,but companies are there to make a profit and will make what the market wants I suppose ?.

Yes people were a lot slimmer in the 60s,you can see that in a lot of the pictures on this thread,food and a less physical lifestyle have made massive! changes in size.

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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

Nice French documentary about the Mod movement, dated March 1965, featuring the Who, young mods, Kit Lambert's interview... 

http://www.ina.fr/video/CPF86651489

I was wondering whether that was Eric Clapton at 28:15. I couldn't identify that it was the Yardbirds on stage at the time - the camerawork was too quick. I do know that Clapton was still with the Yardbirds in early 65 when the film was made, and that 'Who do you Love?' was in their repertoire; however there's no mention that I can find of Clapton playing a Fender Jaguar.
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Botolph..Sorry I misunderstood your post,I thought that you were buying the Japanese shirts as you couldn't find American ones.

I have been critical in the past of younger people being nostalgic about a time that they cant remember,I think that I am guilty of being the same about a United States style that wasn't as widespread as I have thought..growing up in the 60s all that I had to gauge America was tv and films,although even I realised that American farmers didn't wear business suits whilst ploughing the fields like Eddie Albert in Green acres,I probably did assume that most people dressed like Lee Marvin etc,I realise now that the majority wouldn't have.

You are right that Allen Edmonds and Alden still do make excellent products,and I am sure that some clothing companies make good clothes,but whilst searching for brogues I found lots of firms that no longer exist or who make poorer quality shoes now or who have moved there production to other countries with cheaper work forces...Florsheim,Levis,Wrangler, are not making the quality items that they once were famous for,but companies are there to make a profit and will make what the market wants I suppose ?.

Yes people were a lot slimmer in the 60s,you can see that in a lot of the pictures on this thread,food and a less physical lifestyle have made massive! changes in size

I buy a quite a bit of vintage and deadstock clobber from the US. Sales listings will often read; "Labelled as a 'Large', but actually fits like a modern day small/medium."

So, I guess the average person has got one and a half sizes fatter over the years. When I was a kid, the only fast-food options were the chippy, and the Wimpy. Today in my town, there are six fried chicken joints, three pizza places, a McDonalds, a Jenny Burger (used to be  Wimpy), two chippys and various kebab/everything gaffs. Every time I see young-uns out and about, they're stuffing their chubby sodding faces with junk food. Then you see the old pictures of members on here when they were young, with less meat on them than a filleted earwig.

Badly-dressed, fast food chomping, inactive, computer-game-addicted-kids, with a media given a sense of entitlement. We'll probably outlive them all.

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Enough ranting about youth. A goatskin A-2 on US ebay. A bit too distressed for me, but I like the way the collars have rolled with age.


Edited by Inks - 1/31/14 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


I was wondering whether that was Eric Clapton at 28:15. I couldn't identify that it was the Yardbirds on stage at the time - the camerawork was too quick. I do know that Clapton was still with the Yardbirds in early 65 when the film was made, and that 'Who do you Love?' was in their repertoire; however there's no mention that I can find of Clapton playing a Fender Jaguar.

 

It's possible MoM, but not sure of course. Another guitarist of the Yardbirds had a Jaguar (on the left), and may had lend it to him.

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And this is a picture of Clapton during his Yardbirds years playing on a Fender Jazzmaster, very close to a Jaguar.

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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

Nice French documentary about the Mod movement, dated March 1965, featuring the Who, young mods, Kit Lambert's interview...

 

http://www.ina.fr/video/CPF86651489

How good was Kit Lambert's French in that interview ? He seemed pretty fluent for an Englishman.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

How good was Kit Lambert's French in that interview ? He seemed pretty fluent for an Englishman.

Excellent.

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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

Excellent.

Indeed it was. I was impressed. Way ahead of my own, and I used to think I was pretty good.
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