I reckon you are right, Buttons. Next question(s): What was the record? Who was the artist ? Surely not reggae?
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Mod to Suedehead - Page 1105post #16562 of 2455212/4/13 at 6:41ampost #16563 of 2455212/4/13 at 6:49am
Yeah, thought it was Blue Note but deffo looks like Pye.
Just my penn'orth on this whole vitriolic mud battle(which has died down to a simmer)...
Pretty much everybody who reads and posts here seems to have one thing in common: the original skinheads. Be you a weekend warrior, an ex-skinhead, a "mid-life crisis skinhead"(lots here in the USA), a "reenactor", or whatever you call yourself or have been called, there's a wealth of information for those who weren't there and a nice trip down memory lane for those who were. It's a useful tool for we young'uns to trace the roots of the look. That's why I'm here. I've always been into history and finding the beginnings. There are many reasons why we here ARE or WERE skinheads, and what matters is the common ground: the original skinheads. It may have been a fleeting fashion of the time but it has, like it or not, transcended its original purpose and yes there are still youngsters getting into it. It's pretty much been a continuum. Just because it may have "died" for some doesn't mean it actually did die. It transformed, for better or for worse, from a style to a youth cult/way of life. That's just how it is.
We're all here because what you DID and what some of us DO is a good time and a rallying point of camaraderie for us and our friends. No, WE aren't original skinheads, but we ARE skinheads. It's just that some of the aspects have been distilled, some watered down, and a lot of it remains. Time and(as pointed out well earlier in the thread)distance from the epicenter will do that to it.
Oh boy I just re-read what I typed. I sound like a d*ckhead. Oh well.
We're all here to enjoy and contribute as we can(whether it's relevant or not, and I'm guilty of a lot of the non-sequiturs), so no need for pissing contests. Whether a fellow contributor is full of sh*t or not, keep it to yourself for Chris'sake.post #16564 of 2455212/4/13 at 7:05am
We were recently comparing J Simons with Italian 'competitors'. Here is one I had not been aware of 'Noblemen' in Milano posted by Daniele on Facebook:
The shirts look similar to those we progressed to by 1971, if progressed is the right word!
(not sure if everyone will be able to view all the pics)post #16565 of 2455212/4/13 at 7:41amQuote:Originally Posted by Aces and Eights
In 1969 I was involved at the start of this movement and for me I never wanted it to end. It was the best and most memorial time of my life. Even though with 35 year marriage and wonderful family those few years are very special. Every thing was happening and everything was in order
Now after those times passed I have still kept in contact with the lads from that era and would would meet up yearly and talk and laugh about old times. The battles seam to have had more opponents and the other lads had grown in size but our comrade could be picked up again as if no time had lapsed. We have not met up for around the last 10 years - no particular reason but we now see each other now at funerals for old gang and associates people. How time fly's
My comment is that I had thought any opportunity of being able to talk with people who had experienced the skinhead period of 1969 to 1971 would have been a no no as who would want to discuss that era as many people who were there were not necessary keen to remember it and at the time were pleased to move on to the next fashion rather than be a dinosaur. Call me a dinosaur but I loved it and found it hard to let go.
This forum has become a pastime of reading like minded thoughts and experiences. I was surprised how the younger people who became skinheads in the later 'waves' were also dedicated to their own era. But each era have their own memories and experiences and view on how they should be
I have met Buttons on a couple of occasions and he is approx 20 years younger so what would we have in common? For a start he is 'the trainspotter' of skinhead fashion and accessories information and should be a curator of a skinhead museum. I was there in 69 when it was all happening and we would say purchase a Ben Sherman shirt and if it looked what was being worn we just bought it and wore out and when it was worn out after wearing it for work - we threw it out. Buttons would know where it was made, the height of its collar, the inside leg measurement of the seamstress etc etc
Its the younger people who have taken an interest in this period that have the detailed knowledge - I on the other hand only have the memories and I enjoy talking and passing on my memories because a) he wants to know because he is genuinely interested and b) I want to share these experiences with people who want to know before I forget those times
Likewise I have met up with BrownieCJ a few times and he is a couple of years older and I have learnt things from him that fall into place with gaps in my memory
This forum / thread may wander sometimes but where else are you going to find somewhere you can share memories or find out in depth information of a subject that is not mainstream
A thoughtful post,that has made me think and consider a few things.
I asked a little while back how old the oldest skinheads were back in the day,you replied and said that some of the older ones were 23 or 24,I think that it was general for blokes to move on then ( and I wont say grow up because that would be insulting ),these days people don't seem to move on and I am not just talking about people on this thread,I mean generally.
Recently a man in his 50s got into trouble at a football match for punching a police horse, ( my mate did the same nearly 40 years ago,he would have been 17 or 18 ),it seems that a lot of blokes retain their laddish ways until much later in life now IMO,i have to say that I don't really understand why that has changed.
I agree with what you say about buttons knowledge of the clothes of the period,i have read his posts and I would not dispute that knowledge.post #16566 of 2455212/4/13 at 7:53amQuote:Originally Posted by Mr Knightley
No problems posting here - I have kept away since my little outburst last week!
I have been very encouraged by posts over recent days with people talking about 'what they want from the thread'. It helps us appreciate that we are all unique and all want something slightly different. I am interested too in buttons saying that he is a skinhead - everyday and all day. That is quite different from the man (or girl) that simply dresses up as one at the weekend.
I was a skinhead, but I am not now. My wardrobe gives a definite nod to skinhead but I don't seek out period pieces or overtly skinhead stuff. My objective is to be 'well-dressed' as I see it. I have never claimed to be a Dandy but others have placed that tag on me. If the term means a simple elegance then that is indeed what I aspire to.
We mustn't forget that this thread is hosted by Styleforum and IMO is therefore first and foremost about style. There is no need for aggro as Mr Badger says and I hope we can all tolerate a bit of going off track from time to time. Let us try to be stylish in the way we debate skinhead style!
Mr Knightley..I don't want to come across as too creepy here,but you are one of several blokes on here that I take notice of when you are talking about style.
When you say."My wardrobe gives a definite nod to skinhead but I don't seek out period pieces or overtly skinhead stuff.My objective is to be well-dressed as I see it ", I think that I am on the right thread.post #16567 of 2455212/4/13 at 8:12amQuote:Originally Posted by Gsvs5
I have never met anyone on this Forum and can only go by the images posted to form an opinion.I do not believe any of the people you quoted lampoons or satirizes the look?
I have only commented and been critical of the color of someones shirt and the stance of a jacket pocket.This was an opinion offered by me as I (wrongly) assumed that the bloke aspired to wearing a particular look,and as I was around at the time and he wasn't,it was positive criticism as I saw it.It was taken as an insult unfortunately.
I only write and offer what I personally recall,thinking that it may offer some guidance to those as interested in the style as I once was?I thought that was the spirit of this thread?
From what Buttons has posted,I think he carries off the look admirably (as do others).I don't personally believe I could (or desire to) do it at 56. I found his multi tkt pocket suit amusing and never recall actually seeing one like that "Back in the day" but I did see wildly exaggerated vents,buttons etc, so I do not doubt it existed somewhere in the quest for one upmanship.
My Dick Emery comment was based on his character as a whole (image/accent/education/career).If you didn't know better,a kid today could view that "Character" and period and assume that Skinheads were a bunch of thick ,uneducated morons.Who in their right minds would find that appealing?
Most kids today have no idea what a Ted was.If they were to only have the negative image that was portrayed in the media,or pictures of scruffy cunts,70's revivalists who never really took it seriously etc. etc. then that to me is a real shame.
I'm with Buttons on the point of "Why do something half arsed?"
This thread is just one of hundreds to explore and express opinion that are relevant elsewhere on Styleforum .There is IMO no need to dilute this one.
That is if you share my thoughts that this is a thread from a specific period and time frame within?
Some people would say that you bringing up the Milansese guys look was diluting the thread, but I found that period of discussion very interesting.
You are correct about many kids today not knowing what a Ted is,I asked 2 much younger blokes ( than me ) to look at some "original" pictures from this thread today,the 27 year old ( a bit of a jack the lad and a resident dj in a Bristol club,and quite worldly wise ),was bemused he had heard of the word "skinhead" but he didn't recognise any of the clothes or know anything about skinheads at all ( he did like some of the brogues though ).
The other bloke is 32,likes to dress stylishly and is well travelled and also a bit of a party animal,he knew a bit about skinheads ( from the late 70s revival),he didn't really associate it with suits or the smarter clothes,and he didn't realise that there had been skinheads earlier.
Now these 2 are not dim-wits IMO, but even the late 70s was long before they were born,its just a period in history to them,like the war is to people our age.post #16568 of 2455212/4/13 at 9:15ampost #16569 of 2455212/4/13 at 9:39ampost #16570 of 2455212/4/13 at 10:11am
Yes, agreed. Unless you are an 'enthusiast' there is no reason why you would be aware of what went on.
Going off at a bit of a tangent (again!) there is a very old pub near me called 'The Albert'. It has been called that for decades at least - after Prince Albert of course. It has just closed with a view to being tarted up and re-opened before Christmas. It will then be called 'The Railway', partly due to its proximity to the station, but mainly because the owners don't believe anyone today will have any idea that this man was the Consort of one of our most famous and longest serving Monarchs!! The past is another country.....so, yes we have a Duty to bring it back to life.post #16571 of 2455212/4/13 at 12:58pmQuote:Originally Posted by Mr Knightley
Going off at a bit of a tangent (again!) there is a very old pub near me called 'The Albert'. It has been called that for decades at least - after Prince Albert of course. It has just closed with a view to being tarted up and re-opened before Christmas. It will then be called 'The Railway', partly due to its proximity to the station, but mainly because the owners don't believe anyone today will have any idea that this man was the Consort of one of our most famous and longest serving Monarchs!! The past is another country.....so, yes we have a Duty to bring it back to life.
I think that reflects the ignorance of the owners and not of the public at large.post #16572 of 2455212/4/13 at 1:17pmpost #16573 of 2455212/4/13 at 1:52pmpost #16574 of 2455212/4/13 at 2:14pmpost #16575 of 2455212/4/13 at 2:49pm
I've got no problems with this thread wandering slightly from time to time, it's bound to happen, and there's been times when it's brought us back to a point thats relevant to the threads title, the trainer discussion brought up Baseball boots, very interesting.
All the originals i've ever met whether it's been thru this site, or whilst im out and about, have been complimentary towards me, good enough for i.
As for this re-enactment stuff, total piffle to my mind, thats for the sealed knot society etc.
It's that time of year for Christmas piss ups, work etc, it's always the same, off down town pubs and clubs, not my scene at all, i get the "come on out and wear some normal clothes" whatever they are, it's not possible, i only have one wardrobe.
What i've said is not a dig at anyone, it's just how it is for me, on a more light hearted note, heres me on the SS Great Britain, playing the part of Bristols original bovver boy, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, shame they wouldn't let me smoke a cigar
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