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Strange how those tatoos who had meanings in the time are now sometimes wear by people who have no idea. The funniest thing is the guys or girls who have kanji (sino-japanese signs) just because it looks good, and who don't even know the exact meaning. They could be surprised sometimes.

Clouseau.I don't know if you have seen the fashion for "religious tattoos ",I talked a younger bloke at work out of having a full sleeve in that style done 2 years ago,remarkable how stupid people can be with tattoo "fashions",its not like clothes or a haircut that you can change in a months time...I have many tattoo stories but the wrong spelling ones can be so funny / sad.

BTW,I had a day out today in Hereford,the nearest place that I could find a shop that sells Paraboot Michael,I tried some on,but they did not have a 44 or 44.5,a very well made shoe and I will definitely buy a pair,the shop has an online store and they told me that they  sell a lot of the Michael to Japan and Korea ! ( so expect prices to rise,I guess ).

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Yes, i red recently that they are very  A la mode ("in fashion") in Japan ! I was quite surprised. Glad you saw them "in real", they are really good shoes. Try to be sure of the exact size before you order them. 

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That was a very interesting Short Film..Peal and Son were certainly outside of my League,but what beautifully made Shoes.
During those days,you had to know something about how Shoes were made(you were questioned by the Manager on various aspects of Shoe Manufacture).You had to know each part of the ShoeThen you sold a Shoe-not like today and get them off a Rack.My Wife visited Shoe Manufacturers(during her selling days in New Bond Street).What I never realised was People would make Shoes at home(possibly contracted by the Shoe Makers).Two of our Friends lived in Northampton(they have now moved), they had an old Workshop at the bottom of the Garden.When you looked along the Terrace,each Garden had the same.In the old Workshop you had a hanging rail for the Hide and then Benches for the close up work.Some old Tools had been left(one of them was similar to the Tool that Craftsman is trimming the Leather Sole-on the Film.Another was the Blade that was shaping the Shoe Last.

You are right in those days you got service in  a shop from someone who had to know what they were selling,today I got some old fashioned service in a shop called Pritchards in Hereford,the salesman was so knowledgeable and polite it was worth the drive,they have an online store and sell John Smedley,Paraboot,but I would definitely recommend a visit there.

post #16099 of 19333
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

Yes, i red recently that they are very  A la mode ("in fashion") in Japan ! I was quite surprised. Glad you saw them "in real", they are really good shoes. Try to be sure of the exact size before you order them.

The problem seems to be ( as we said before ) the Metric to UK size conversion !...I would not buy the blue ones but they were a very nice colour and very well dyed,I looked at their website and they had a very nice blue ( English style ) brogue too.....not as nice as the J M Weston brogue IMO,but probably not as expensive.

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post

ACAB ? 

Heheh wink.gif Nah, not really.
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The problem seems to be ( as we said before ) the Metric to UK size conversion !...I would not buy the blue ones but they were a very nice colour and very well dyed,I looked at their website and they had a very nice blue ( English style ) brogue too.....not as nice as the J M Weston brogue IMO,but probably not as expensive.

i didn't knew they existed in blue ! Just looked at them, they're not my favorites (like the black ones). I like the brown ones : classic brown, brown pebble grain, and the "nubuck" (not sure how to call them, chocolate?) version. They just look great with jeans or cords.

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i didn't knew they existed in blue ! Just looked at them, they're not my favorites (like the black ones). I like the brown ones : classic brown, brown pebble grain, and the "nubuck" (not sure how to call them, chocolate?) version. They just look great with jeans or cords.

Yes I agree,I prefer the dark brown ones myself..but the blue ones were so well dyed and I think that is unusual ( and a sign of quality ) .

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Legacy - tough one this, a little like trying to answer the question, "which came first, the chicken or the egg?".

 

Individually, for those of us who lived through and experienced the period the legacy is, to varying degrees, our musical tastes and an influence on our sense of style and choice of clothes. As Little Queenie says, sometimes you can still tell a former skinhead by his dress sense, forty odd years on, even though he's not wearing turned up jeans and cherry red Doc Martens.This is not true though of every former skinhead, to whom our style was just one of a number of fashions he or she may have followed through their life. Some were scruffy herberts then, always have been and still are to this day. Similarly, musical tastes. Personally I have grown to like lots of different kinds of music, but my favourite is still 60's soul and Motown and in the North and North Midlands this would still be true of many an old Mod/Skinhead/Suedehead. However this is probably no different to anybody of any age - they will nearly all have an emotional attachment to the music of their youth.

 

In terms of a wider society I believe there is a legacy. The first memorable youth culture in this country, the Teddy Boys, were hostile to immigrants, especially those from the West Indies, violently so in some instances as evidenced by the Notting Hill riots of the late fifties. I don't know enough about the early Mod era to comment, but by the late sixties our youth culture was not merely more tolerant of black immigrants and their children but to a degree was actively embracing some aspects of their culture. I recall a lesson in school  where the Headmaster was trying to 'convince' us how wrong racism was. I remember being sat at the front of the class and him placing his hands on my shoulders and saying "Of course, we mustn't assume that just because a fellow is a skinhead, he is a  racist".  (Cheeky f*cker, he'd probably been reading the Daily Mail. Had he come into that classroom the previous year he would had found me snugly sat between two West Indian girls). He was quite taken aback when class members told him that nobody was prejudiced against blacks, (but that they were resentful about Asians taking over parts of the town). As a reggae and soul loving skinhead how could you be prejudiced against black people? A small number of black lads and girls would come to the local soul club, nobody thought anything of it - they dressed like us, they danced like us, it was a non issue. I think this is one of the great legacies of skinhead. Manchester City had hundreds of skinhead supporters, there was never any racist chanting there ( in fact, I have never heard any racist chanting at either of City's stadia). As someone mentioned in an earlier post, the two-tone era lead by the Specials was heavily influenced by the original skinheads and one of their messages was racial togetherness.

 

That was the reality. Sadly, the media spin on it was quite different. Every one getting on alright doesn't sell as many papers as the shock-horror stories of queer bashing, paki-bashing and squaddie bashing(?!!!). 

 

Let's take them in reverse order:

 

1) Squaddie bashing - utter nonsense as far as I'm concerned. Skinheads joined the army, young soldiers became skinheads. I never heard of it, no-one spoke of it. There may have been the odd occasion when a drunken brawl between soldiers and local skinheads broke out in or near a barracks town.

 

2) Paki -bashing - there definitely was resentment in the public at large towards the large numbers of Asian immigrants moving into certain areas of large towns and cities. (there still is). This was certainly not limited to teenagers with short hair. Any one on this site ever involved in Paki-bashing? Between 1969 and 1972 I had two brushes with aforementioned activity.

 

In 1970 I went with a mate down into Rochdale town centre. There were very few Skinheads in Rochdale at that time and as we went to watch Rochdale sometimes when City were away, I was a familiar face, so on safe territory. We met up with some lads we knew, in the doorway of Burton's. As there were about 5 or 6 of us one of the older lads said, "Let's go up to Tweedale Street". Tweedale Street was the first area in Rochdale with a lot of Asian immigrants. When we arrived we just walked around and I asked why had we gone there and was told, "We've come Paki bashing". My mate and I made our excuses and left. Whether this was something the Rochdale lads actually indulged in or whether it was bravado for our benefit as they suddenly had a decent number, I'll never know. 

 

In 1971 a group of us were gathered at the "Shed" (a large bus shelter) at Shaw Road end in Royton. A bus pulled up across the road and a load of Asians got off on their way to start the night shift at the nearby cotton mill. Somebody shouted "Paki Bastards" and threw a bottle across the road at them. Said "Pakis" then ran up the road into the mill.

 

And errr.... that's it. Though just how I could claim to have been a skinhead back then with such a woeful catalogue of racial intolerance I just don't know. According to the press I such have been conducting myself like a nineteen thirties brown shirt. 

 

3) Queer bashing - somebody told me they had done it once.

 

 

So, skinhead legacy? Disregarding the nonsense depicted in the press, we were among the first people in society to accept the West Indian community and help break down those barriers of prejudice and distrust. 

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So, skinhead legacy? Disregarding the nonsense depicted in the press, we were among the first people in society to accept the West Indian community and help break down those barriers of prejudice and distrust. 

Well said Roytonboy! Us in the North know something about polish too...........
post #16105 of 19333
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Well said Roytonboy! Us in the North know something about polish too...........

Plenty of Polish here in Bristol back then too ,skinhead bloke in the year between me and Prssure _Drop,very smart lad,with a Polish father .

Lots of Polish moved here in the last few years,mostly they don't seem to intergrate,Polish lad at my gym is a good laugh ( well he can understand my humour ).

Although I am a Southerner to you ( and proud of Wessex ),my paternal grandparents were from the same Rochdale that roytonboy mentions...

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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

Well said Roytonboy! Us in the North know something about polish too...........

My little joke, polish with a small 'p' and a short 'o'.
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


My little joke, polish with a small 'p' and a short 'o'.

Oh yes,I get it now,sorry it went right over my head ,don't I feel silly ?.

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Feeling OLD....roytonboys post mentioned both stadiums ( Manchester City ),this reminded me of a post that I read on another site, "how many stadiums have you been to that are no longer football league stadiums ?".

Well roytonboy and elwood can say Maine road....in the north east Roker park and Ayresome park....for Pressure_drop,basset and me Eastville and Twerton park....start adding them up and theres quite a few, including Highbury and the Den....its quite sad.

Add to this the demolition of famous old pubs,or making them into a Tesco express etc etc and the good old days feel a very long time ago !

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Feeling OLD....roytonboys post mentioned both stadiums ( Manchester City ),this reminded me of a post that I read on another site, "how many stadiums have you been to that are no longer football league stadiums ?".
Well roytonboy and elwood can say Maine road....in the north east Roker park

Yes AND they built the new monstrosity on the pit just to add insult to injury.... no industry and no proper terraces!
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


Yes AND they built the new monstrosity on the pit just to add insult to injury.... no industry and no proper terraces!

AND still importing ship loads of coal through Avonmouth and Newport !

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