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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post

Finally managed to catch up on the 300 and odd pages I'd got behind with: good job there was so much drivel and I'm an excellent skim-reader.............

Glad we're maintaining a standard.
post #16052 of 18769
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Originally Posted by Aces and Eights View Post
 

This is a great clip showing a good looking girl with figure to match.  I have sen this clip several times and she is mesmerising

 

The girl and her pals are dressed and dancing typically of the period

 

I have seen photos of later period skinhead girls and their dress is exaggerated of what the girls wore back in 69.  The later girls look as if they are wearing a 'fancy dress'. costume of the period so that if its over the top it will draw attention as to what period you are trying to imply.

 

Back in 69 our fashion was our everyday wear so we could not look over the top or ridiculous - we had to be smart but subtle all the time - not just when we were out at night

 

The video clip is a good example

I agree,especially about the fancy dress,its a bit like the re-enactors at the Hop farm War and Peace show ( IMO ).

post #16053 of 18769
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

I totally agree with your "yardstick" analogy,as I think that Suedehead is the style that I judge smart clothes by.

In the mid to late 70s an "original" skinhead told me that the skinhead influence on music even after 71 was tremendous,he said funk would not have become popular for instance ( not that I cared ) but I wonder if the skinhead time did influence music afterwards ?.

Football violence was about before skinheads ( isolated incidents ) but  mobs of skinheads at lots of matches made it into something much more widespread ( IMO ).

Funny though that  something that is so important to us,has had so little impact ( if that is true ).

Cerneabbas, I suppose I don’t see it in quite the same way.  I don’t think skinheads really produced anything – they merely consumed.  Musical tastes, as I think Roy has said were quite eclectic with soul, blues, reggae, Motown and outright pop all popular at times.

 

I remember, as I have said before, going to Arsenal back in the day and supporters were merely standing around posing in their new gear, backs to the game in some cases.  They were at a football match but they could just as easily have been at Southend sea front! Yes, there was violence and it did increase at that time but it was more a reflection of general mob culture than skinhead per se IMO. 

 

I really don’t think skinheads were important or lasting in the great scheme of things….

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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post

Glad we're maintaining a standard.

You are, Mr.M.
post #16055 of 18769
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

Cerneabbas, I suppose I don’t see it in quite the same way.  I don’t think skinheads really produced anything – they merely consumed.  Musical tastes, as I think Roy has said were quite eclectic with soul, blues, reggae, Motown and outright pop all popular at times.

 

I remember, as I have said before, going to Arsenal back in the day and supporters were merely standing around posing in their new gear, backs to the game in some cases.  They were at a football match but they could just as easily have been at Southend sea front! Yes, there was violence and it did increase at that time but it was more a reflection of general mob culture than skinhead per se IMO.

 

I really don’t think skinheads were important or lasting in the great scheme of things….

Perhaps that's right,to be honest I don't really know a lot about music ( lack of interest ).

I suppose that there is only a tiny minority of people who were about then,who would come on a site like this,so it was not so important to a lot of people.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Perhaps that's right,to be honest I don't really know a lot about music ( lack of interest ).
I suppose that there is only a tiny minority of people who were about then,who would come on a site like this,so it was not so important to a lot of people.

I suppose it's like any fashion: there are those who are passionate about what they're doing and those who merely 'wear the clothes' because that's what their mates (and social group) are wearing / doing. How often are you walking along the street and you see someone in the right age range and you just know he was an old Skinhead because of the way he wears his clothes? That says to me that it had a big influence on some people and I suppose they're the ones who seek out sites like this. I think you're largely right in your previous comment that women are more susceptible to moving with the fashion and leaving the look behind them. 1071 pages says some people think it was important!

As for influence on music, I'd say in the North that Mods, and later Skinheads, had a big impact on music, namely the Soul scene and that Soul music was an integral part of the scene that they inhabited.
post #16057 of 18769
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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


I suppose it's like any fashion: there are those who are passionate about what they're doing and those who merely 'wear the clothes' because that's what their mates (and social group) are wearing / doing. How often are you walking along the street and you see someone in the right age range and you just know he was an old Skinhead because of the way he wears his clothes? That says to me that it had a big influence on some people and I suppose they're the ones who seek out sites like this. I think you're largely right in your previous comment that women are more susceptible to moving with the fashion and leaving the look behind them. 1071 pages says some people think it was important!

As for influence on music, I'd say in the North that Mods, and later Skinheads, had a big impact on music, namely the Soul scene and that Soul music was an integral part of the scene that they inhabited.

Yes,there is no doubt that it had a big effect on the blokes who post here,even the few of us who were just too young ( but trying hard ).

You are right though about ( most ? ) people just moving with the fashions,they just wanted to be "in",and when things moved on they didn't want to be left behind.

As you say there will always be some who are passionate about a particular look or period of time in their life...its not just nostalgia ( IMO ),I truly believe that the suedehead look was the smartest ever and as Mr Knightley says I too use it as a yardstick ( although moving it on ),I have no doubt that there are people who feel the same about Mod,maybe Teds.

However I do wonder about what legacy it has left ? did it leave its mark on anything ?,sadly I think that it wont be remembered by history as being as influential as Teds,Mods or Punk,and I really don't like to say that.

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I'd say it had a big influence. Both mod and the skinhead fashion-styles at least for me is the very essence of modern, postwar working class neatness and style. And it goes to show that being a upper class type doesn't necessarily buy a good sense of style, but style is more of a ethos that can be aquired and lived by no matter what. And it makes me genuinly happy when i lookat those old pictures.

And watching football, i'd say there's a couple of guys on the terraces, no matter what team, that keeps this style, albeit modernized some, but still readily recognizable.

The more i think of it, the more i almost think that in Britain, a country that again and again set standards and influenced the world, it's one of many styles. And for you it was italian suits, american or west indian-influenced haircuts, jamaican ska and american soul, for me it's all british (Even if i tecnically know otherwise). And being slightly anglophile stylewize i admire the style for it's cleanness, no nonsense and for being proper. And i don't think i'm alone in my way of looking at it.
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Originally Posted by Mr Knightley View Post
 

Yes, I agree.  Note the absence of jewelery, tattoos, body pieceings, in fact any form of unnecessary adornment.  And they look so much chicer as a result. The exaggerated earrings of the black girl would not have been worn.


Back then I didn't know any girl who had a tattoo or body piecing apart from the ear lobes. None of my mob had tattoos and I would say it wasn't a skinhead look in our area but when Aces posted on a Simon Templar Saint tattoo I remember a mate who had that tattoo. Generally it was all low key and discrete. Most of us were concerned with getting good jobs and that would not be possible with a large tattoo or piercing. I remember in my 20s some of the chaps started wearing gold chains etc.Even my dad started to wear a gold necklass and a sovereign ring. I wonder if the girls in the clip now have tattoos? I see plenty of grannies with tstts and it doesn't do them any favours but each to their own.

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

elwood.I also like the retro type enamel badges ,I have noticed on e bay that there is a bit of a trade in them but I never see anybody wearing them now,maybe people just collect them ?.


Been to many football games lately? Small enamel badges are the almost de riguer part of casual football wear. On the left chest of Aquascutum, Henri Lloyd, Burberry etc

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Never thought about it in that way but your correct . Skinhead was a continuation of Mod / Ivy league that produced NO music acts NO clobber of its own . It was a brief fashion amongst working class lads who previously had been Mods ( and who had created great bands such as the Small Faces ) and would later become Soul Boys ( who would create a plethera of bands and styles of there own )..   maybe it was because the look itself was so brief 67 -71 that the kids themselves never had chance to grow up as a skinhead to create rather than consume ?

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Originally Posted by Little Queenie View Post


I suppose it's like any fashion: there are those who are passionate about what they're doing and those who merely 'wear the clothes' because that's what their mates (and social group) are wearing / doing. How often are you walking along the street and you see someone in the right age range and you just know he was an old Skinhead because of the way he wears his clothes? That says to me that it had a big influence on some people and I suppose they're the ones who seek out sites like this. I think you're largely right in your previous comment that women are more susceptible to moving with the fashion and leaving the look behind them. 1071 pages says some people think it was important!

As for influence on music, I'd say in the North that Mods, and later Skinheads, had a big impact on music, namely the Soul scene and that Soul music was an integral part of the scene that they inhabited.

that was other peoples music though .. in 68 - 71 to my knolwedge there were no young skins who started bands or actually put out records ?

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

I wonder about the legacy of the original skinhead / suedehead period...obviously it made the DM boot popular for about 10 years,and football hooliganism for many years ( even now abroad ),what else ?.

Football hooliganism was pre skinhead - what advanced FV in the uk was british rail's Football specials - cheap travel for herberts . early 80s british rail did it again with the persil voucher which enabled thousands of casuals to travel the length of the country to practically fuck all ..

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Originally Posted by flyfronted View Post
 

that was other peoples music though .. in 68 - 71 to my knolwedge there were no young skins who started bands or actually put out records ?

I do agree with Little Queenie, having said what I did earlier, that it was important to some including me. Very important.  Equally important to me was the influence of Cary Grant, Fred Astaire, early James Bond....

 

What I also believe is that, exactly as you said, skinheads didn't do anything, and therefore their impact on society in general is limited.

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An interesting and rather beautiful take on the longwing brogue here:

 

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