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Quote: Cerneabbas wrote: ...Paraboots a nice alternative to ( much as I love them ) pretty poor quality monkey boots or the DM boot now the choice of teenage girls,so Paraboots weren't worn here in the 70s,so what ?.
Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

Brian Parkinson, a mod/early skinhead living near to me was wearing paratrooper boots in early 1969. (By paratrooper boots I mean the type I frequently see if ever I go into an army surplus shop - black, very similar to those worn by the tough looking French police in Paris. I thought they were German, but could by French?) Incidentally, I noticed in the old film clip of the Newcastle lads from 1971 that one of them is wearing paratrooper boots.

 

A discussion, many pages back, between Elwood and myself was about the types of boots initially worn by the 'original' skinheads (depending on your interpretation of 'original skinhead') highlighted the fact that at first skinheads wore all sorts of boots. Such was the later success of Dr. Martens that they have come to be regarded by all and sundry as the quintessential skinhead footwear, but this was a later development of the style. Heavy boots had been terrace wear from at least as early as 1967 and became even more popular as the style we now recognise as 'skinhead' evolved through 1968, so by early 1969 they were very common. Despite the claim by our friend from Dexy's Midnight Runners that they were worn because they were shiny and not for kicking people, I saw plenty of evidence to the contrary and had he spent any time on a football terrace around that period he would have been aware that that is EXACTLY the reason they were worn. Consequently, what people wanted around that time was a heavy boot, preferably with steel toe caps. In 1969 I didn't know anyone who wore shiny cherry red Doc Martens. My local 'style icons', Brian Parkinson (18) wore paratrooper boots, Dave Rabbich (17) wore black commando boots with a steel toe-cap. Lads on the Kippax wore army boots, work boots and hob-nails. Elwood wrote of seeing lads 'skating' across the concrete terracing on their hobnails, making them spark. A few lads cut away some of the leather from the toes to reveal the steel shining underneath.  At 14, my two closest skinhead friends were David Porter who wore steel toed oxblood coloured boots, and Terry Cocking who wore black work boots (possibly 'Tuff' boots?) I wore some brown work boots I'd had for about 2 years. When I outgrew these soon after I bought some black Doc. Martens - not because they were Doc. Martens, but because I thought they looked really smart when seeing them in the shop. I wasn't aware of anyone else wearing them at that time. The catalyst for the popularity of Doc. Martens was the banning of steel toe caps at football matches. You didn't want to be stood on cold concrete in your socks all afternoon and a nice pair of shiny DMs was seen as the ideal replacement.

 

Obviously I'm including the usual disclaimer here re: time and location (Manchester area) and no doubt somebody will be on telling me that London was full of skinheads wearing shiny cherry red Doc. Martens in 1965. If people try to claim that anything other than DMs are not authentic skinhead wear, then you can now inwardly look a little smug, 'cos you know better!

Roytonboy, just to avoid misunderstandings, Cerneabbas and i are referring to the french shoe brand Paraboot, that has nothing to do with "paraboots" in the meaning of big steel cap boots. See the link i put earlier.

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the red dude from paris of "brigada wh'ever" is a gaz....Julien is his name.....  not a skinhead at all ....... only a stupid political bloke...... in the 80's / 90's, he just grabbed some part of the look to justified is political fights 

 

this guy made massive raids on scooterists / mods parties to 'fight fascism" ....... he's really a idiot

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6wFxUlNs20   (in french, but explicit)

 

and sorry, but his look was also mega shittty back in the days

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by riton23 - 11/2/13 at 5:46am
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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post
 

Roytonboy, just to avoid misunderstandings, Cerneabbas and i are referring to the french shoe brand Paraboot, that has nothing to do with "paraboots" in the meaning of big steel cap boots. See the link i put earlier.

 

 Clouseau - you beat me to it! I amended my original post to ask the question.

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In 1969, my first pair of proper 'skinhead boots' were - and I've mentioned this in a previous post last year - what the Army & Navy store guy in Piccadilly (Manchester) described as Australian army/para boots.

They were red, and had big lumps of metal under them, which according to the salesman, prevented bamboo shoots etc penetrating the sole. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Something not too dissimilar to these:



It wasn't until later in '69, I managed to get my feet into DMs - first pair being shoes. (And yes, I took some flak until I could afford the real thing.) shog[1].gif

FTR: I can't see paras ever having worn this type of boot - too low - but i was young and gullible. happy.gif
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

 Clouseau - you beat me to it! I amended my original post to ask the question.

roytonboy,You brought back a memory in your post,in 1970 ( I think ) we all wanted boots,but they had to be steel toe caps,to test the boots we would drop a milk bottle onto the toe ( while wearing the boots ) and if the bottle broke it "proved " that it was a steel toe cap...please remember that I was 11 or 12 and very impressionable.

Paraboots as in paratrooper boots,yes German,I bought a pair late 80s ( there were loads of cheap ones in our ex army store ) for walking the dog,and yes they did look similar to the ones that the French riot police ( CRS ? ) were wearing when I was in Paris early 80s

BTW,as Clouseau says the Paraboot we were discussing was the Michael from the French shoemaker Paraboot.


Edited by cerneabbas - 11/2/13 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

One of the younger blokes at work asked me yesterday what I thought of Reiss,and to be honest I am not sure,I have seen one or two 60s inspired items that I quite liked but they do seem to do a lot of stuff with polyester in it which puts me off a bit.

Reiss today is a very different shop than when it started out .Now I believe it is all thier own Brand/Label.Actually,initially they were not that different than J.Simons,in that they sold a collection of leading European "Labels" as opposed to American.This of course was copied by every retailer who would be the mainstay of the casual look up and down the country.Someone at Reiss had the foresight to move ahead and understand that they had the ability,creativity and following to develop their own Brand.

Hackett started selling vintage traditional gear in the Brighton lanes before they ended up in Parsons Green.They too saw the potential in developing as a private label.

IMO this is the path I believe J.Simon should have taken years ago.Though he has done bits under his own label in the past I am told,I think he really has missed the boat.

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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

 

A discussion, many pages back, between Elwood and myself was about the types of boots initially worn by the 'original' skinheads (depending on your interpretation of 'original skinhead'). This highlighted the fact that at first skinheads wore all sorts of boots. Such was the later success of Dr. Martens that they have come to be regarded by all and sundry as the quintessential skinhead footwear, but this was a later development of the style. 

 

Although I recall seeing the occasional pr of Hobnails worn,they were not widespread or popular locally.Prior to DM's IIRC the majority wore Black "Police" Boots.All smooth leather with a leather sole.

Only Black (obviously),Very Plain,Very simple,Very Smart.I still prefer that look over DM'S to this day.

I had one mate though who's DM's were always immaculate and they were almost an Amber -Orange color ? I'm guessing he used a neutral cream and/or a light Tan? Whatever,they were the nicest I ever saw.

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Originally Posted by Clouseau View Post

The "Brigada flores Magon" are a band from the nineties, and i don't think they had much followers. I think i recognize one of their members, a "famous redskin".
If you know well the actual french skinhead circles, you must know that most of them are close to the right wing. The others are a minority (at least you found their picture, the 1%.  By the way, i don't consider "Antifas" as skinheads, even i f they wear FP, BS or other brands).
Never heard of these young guys. But it's true i'm not in the skinhead circles from mid-eighties, and that i'm not interested in OI stuff, and never had been. I was mainly into ska, reggae. I heard of the "Swingo porkies", but they didn't last long. 
If you want to speak about a really good french band from the eighties, still in activity, you better mention LA SOURIS DEGLINGUEE, who had, at least in the eighties, a large number of skinhead fans.

BFM were still acive till 2 years ago... but they are not the only band in paris you couldnt call boneheads or nazis... so there are for sure more then 1%...
LSD still have skinhead fans, even if they never were a real skinheadband... that´s the reason why i dont mentioned them,... i have got most of their early records, but still looking for their first hard to find 7"....
8°6 CREW are a ska/reggae band from paris with some skinhead members...
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Well Ek, so it's 5% maybe? To tell the truth, i don't know, but the skins you hear of here lately are usually the far right guys... 

Speaking of LSD (that stands for "La Souris Déglinguée", for our British and American members, of course it's a joke with Lysergic acid) , i saw them several times in concert in the eighties and they were/are a great band. That was sport in the audience, i can tell you. Don't know the 8°6 crew i must say. I understand by their name that they are more on the bottle than on pills. 

Anyway, i think we are clearly off topic, so let's get back on tracks.

 

Basset, thanks for posting the picture of your Royals Longwings.  It's nice to catch at least a glimpse of the Holy grail.

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I took a punt on those NOS Next brogues that were for sale on ebay. Ended up paying £25.50. So even if they're terrible, I can still use them for decorating/gardening/kicking things up the arse.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

I took a punt on those NOS Next brogues that were for sale on ebay. Ended up paying £25.50. So even if they're terrible, I can still use them for decorating/gardening/kicking things up the arse.

Some times you have to take a chance,I hope that the are  a good buy...just have a scrape at the sole,if its soft use them around the house as slippers to get them broke in and then have a thin sole whacked on them ( well that's my theory for what its worth ).

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

I thought that your book was covering the "original" period ? that picture of me is well after,as I have always said I was too young to be an "original".

Oops, my mistake. I forgot. who was talking.
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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post

By 'paraboots', do you mean paratrooper boots?

Brian Parkinson, a mod/early skinhead living near to me was wearing paratrooper boots in early 1969. (By paratrooper boots I mean the type I frequently see if ever I go into an army surplus shop - black, very similar to those worn by the tough looking French police in Paris. I thought they were German, but could be French?) Incidentally, I noticed in the old film clip of the Newcastle lads from 1971 that one of them is wearing paratrooper boots.

A discussion, many pages back, between Elwood and myself was about the types of boots initially worn by the 'original' skinheads (depending on your interpretation of 'original skinhead'). This highlighted the fact that at first skinheads wore all sorts of boots. Such was the later success of Dr. Martens that they have come to be regarded by all and sundry as the quintessential skinhead footwear, but this was a later development of the style. Heavy boots had been terrace wear from at least as early as 1967 and became even more popular as the style we now recognise as 'skinhead' evolved through 1968, so by early 1969 they were very common. Despite the claim by our friend from Dexy's Midnight Runners that they were worn because they were shiny and not for kicking people, I saw plenty of evidence to the contrary and had he spent any time on a football terrace around that period he would have been aware that that is EXACTLY the reason they were worn. Consequently, what people wanted around that time was a heavy boot, preferably with steel toe caps. In 1969 I didn't know anyone who wore shiny cherry red Doc Martens. My local 'style icons', Brian Parkinson (18) wore paratrooper boots, Dave Rabbich (17) wore black commando boots with a steel toe-cap. Lads on the Kippax wore army boots, work boots and hob-nails. Elwood wrote of seeing lads 'skating' across the concrete terracing on their hobnails, making them spark. A few lads cut away some of the leather from the toes to reveal the steel shining underneath.  At 14, my two closest skinhead friends were David Porter who wore steel toed oxblood coloured boots, and Terry Cocking who wore black work boots (possibly 'Tuff' boots?) I wore some brown work boots I'd had for about 2 years. When I outgrew these soon after I bought some black Doc. Martens - not because they were Doc. Martens, but because I thought they looked really smart when seeing them in the shop. I wasn't aware of anyone else wearing them at that time. The catalyst for the popularity of Doc. Martens was the banning of steel toe caps at football matches. You didn't want to be stood on cold concrete in your socks all afternoon and a nice pair of shiny DMs was seen as the ideal replacement. This would have been about 12 months into the skinhead era.

Obviously I'm including the usual disclaimer here re: time and location (Manchester area) and no doubt somebody will be on telling me that London was full of skinheads wearing shiny cherry red Doc. Martens in 1965. If people try to claim that anything other than DMs are not authentic skinhead wear, then you can now inwardly look a little smug, 'cos you know better!

My first pair of boots in London in 1968 were cheap, non-DM 'cherry reds' - no idea what the make was. I recall wearing them with my jungle greens ("dockers") on my first return trip to Blackpool. I ditched them later in '68 for a pair of monkey boots.

Another pair, bought early 1969, were again non-DM. They were brown, fairly high-laced, and I think the shop referred to them as 'commando boots', but that was just the shop's label and had nothing to do with whether they were military surplus. I'm sure they weren't. Labelling in shops wasn't all that reliable sometimes in the 60s. Here are a couple of pics of my feet. You can't see the boots all that well, but you can tell they are not DMs.





I wouldn't have bought either style of boot unless I had seen other blokes wearing them or wearing something like them. After the commando boots I had a pair of DMs, but they didn't last long because pretty soon thereafter we all dropped the look and went all arty-farty.

Gsvs5 mentioned hobnail boots, and said he didn't see many. That reminded me that the North London skinhead who drew me a few cartoons for Yell (I never got around to using them, but I wish I still had them!) drew one of a bunch of skinheads shouting "HOBBY!" (short for 'hobnail'). I'm sure I can remember hearing a bunch of lads somewhere shouting that very word, but you know what an old geezer's memory's like.
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Originally Posted by Man-of-Mystery View Post


My first pair of boots in London in 1968 were cheap, non-DM 'cherry reds' - no idea what the make was. I recall wearing them with my jungle greens ("dockers") on my first return trip to Blackpool. I ditched them later in '68 for a pair of monkey boots.

Another pair, bought early 1969, were again non-DM. They were brown, fairly high-laced, and I think the shop referred to them as 'commando boots', but that was just the shop's label and had nothing to do with whether they were military surplus. I'm sure they weren't. Labelling in shops wasn't all that reliable sometimes in the 60s. Here are a couple of pics of my feet. You can't see the boots all that well, but you can tell they are not DMs.





I wouldn't have bought either style of boot unless I had seen other blokes wearing them or wearing something like them. After the commando boots I had a pair of DMs, but they didn't last long because pretty soon thereafter we all dropped the look and went all arty-farty.

Gsvs5 mentioned hobnail boots, and said he didn't see many. That reminded me that the North London skinhead who drew me a few cartoons for Yell (I never got around to using them, but I wish I still had them!) drew one of a bunch of skinheads shouting "HOBBY!" (short for 'hobnail'). I'm sure I can remember hearing a bunch of lads somewhere shouting that very word, but you know what an old geezer's memory's like.

 

I seem to recall that the term 'commando boots' referred to the type of sole. At one time British Army boots had leather soles with hobnails, whereas those worn by the Royal Marines had thick rubber soles with plenty of 'grip'- hence the distinction 'commando'. Possibly something to do with hobnails sliding about on ships' decks and steps? Boots with this type of sole were said to have 'commando' soles which became shortened to commando boots, whether they were military surplus or not.

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Very Norf London - Riders, Girl's boots, any work boots then 'cherry reds' which could mean any type of ox-blood coloured boots then lastly DM's . Don't remember seeing chunky soled commando styles or steel toe caps (only much later ) It's been said before that boots were dropped quickly in favour of shoes again as you were turned away from pubs for wearing them, even in the daytime. In '69 ish, wouldn't have worn jeans or boots to go out at night anyway, not even down the local.

White shirts - Seemed to live in plain white long sleeved Oxfords for a couple of years, and not necessarily BS's either. I think the striped shirt missed us ('68/9) judging by the photos from the time, although candy and bengal stripes were popular in earlier mod days. The coloured, gingham and checked patterns seem to fit in with the rest of the country's timeline but the local preference for a white shirt lasted for about 2 years! Adventurous lot eh?
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