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the swingo porkies were a skinhead band from paris.. they started in 1979...
you better dont tell these guys.. Brigada Flores Magon were a red skin band from paris with a big following...
more paris skinheads and for sure no bonheads:
Edited by ek77 - 11/1/13 at 5:46pm
Thanks for this thread from an old mod in Washington, DC. I've read all of the posts and I really appreciate all of the stories from the originals.
I don't think this pic has been on this thread. I think it's from the late sixties and shows the diversity of styles in the post mod era.
It was something that Shops like Cecil Gee,Austin Reed etc.,had started in the early 60s,selling American Clothing.Because English Clothing seemed so ordinary,American Clothing looked sharp.On the Blue Note Albums you had Miles Davis etc. looking the b*ll*cks-we had Matt Munroe!!!Later Mods(like myself)still wanted the own this Style.But it did not come cheap.John Simons knew this-he was a "Modernist" himself.
You mention Austin Reed,I always thought that they were a bit pricey,but good quality ( like that lager ad reassuringly expensive ), alas no longer the quality is no longer there ( IMO ) just the high prices.
One of the younger blokes at work asked me yesterday what I thought of Reiss,and to be honest I am not sure,I have seen one or two 60s inspired items that I quite liked but they do seem to do a lot of stuff with polyester in it which puts me off a bit.
ek77,Some interesting pictures you have put up,IMO the big difference in this picture to my memories of the early 70s is the t shirt.
Also sideburns (in the other pictures ),I know that some older lads had them "back in the day" and you will find some pictures of them,but generally the look was more clean cut IMO ( remember here that I was 13 in 1971 so the lads around our age couldn't even grow sideburns ).
On my travels to mainland Europe I have noticed over the years that some blokes who dress in skinhead style have really exaggerated sideburns ( particularly in France Spain and Italy ),then it seems to have come to the UK,personally I don't like sideburns probably because when I was young left over Teds and rocker/greasers had them.
I know it's been mentioned before but AE MacNeils are a very solid option. I've put mine through hell and they keep looking sharp. Switched over from Florsheim Imperials (vintage makes) years ago, which were nice as well. Both can be had for a song on US eBay, if you keep your eyes peeled. They're plenty comfortable too, if sized correctly. I don't have the easiest feet, but can walk for miles in either without problem.
You make a very valid point here,comfort !...no point in having great looking shoes that you cant walk in or wear for more than half an hour IMO,when I used to go to football in the 70s I would be wearing my brogues ( or monkey boots ) for 15 hours more sometimes,in that time we would walk ( or run ) for miles,and stand on concrete terraces ( hard and cold ),I am pretty sure that's why the DM boot went on for so long in the 70s,hoolies found them comfortable on a day out .
I thought that your book was covering the "original" period ? that picture of me is well after,as I have always said I was too young to be an "original",but I kept wearing DMs ( like many others) and mid 70s started buying and wearing other skin/suedehead related stuff ( same as now I suppose),I had smarter stuff as well....perhaps I am an original re-enactor ?....did you notice that I am wearing "birds boots" in the picture ?
The "Brigada flores Magon" are a band from the nineties, and i don't think they had much followers. I think i recognize one of their members, a "famous redskin".
If you know well the actual french skinhead circles, you must know that most of them are close to the right wing. The others are a minority (at least you found their picture, the 1%. By the way, i don't consider "Antifas" as skinheads, even i f they wear FP, BS or other brands).
Never heard of these young guys. But it's true i'm not in the skinhead circles from mid-eighties, and that i'm not interested in OI stuff, and never had been. I was mainly into ska, reggae. I heard of the "Swingo porkies", but they didn't last long.
If you want to speak about a really good french band from the eighties, still in activity, you better mention LA SOURIS DEGLINGUEE, who had, at least in the eighties, a large number of skinhead fans.
Edited by Clouseau - 11/2/13 at 3:01am
So you do agree with alternatives ? ( to the Royals at least ) so that's a start,some purists would say no it has to be Royals or nothing.
Now even I wouldn't think about winkle pickers,but I do like my black brogue boots,not worn back in the day,but so what ? ,theres no way I am going to nail my self into a 4 year style box.
For instance,whats been talked about here today ? Paraboots a nice alternative to ( much as I love them ) pretty poor quality monkey boots or the DM boot now the choice of teenage girls,so Paraboots weren't worn here in the 70s,so what ?.
Now I have mentioned derby half brogues recently,again not available here "back in the day",so if you look at them and think they look good with jeans,are you going to then think oh what a shame I cant wear them because they weren't worn in 68/71 ?.
Now if that's the case fair play ,but to me it becomes like a re-enactment thing,and to be quite honest I am not into all that "style rules" stuff,I would rather make my own choices ( and mistakes ).
By 'paraboots', do you mean paratrooper boots?
Brian Parkinson, a mod/early skinhead living near to me was wearing paratrooper boots in early 1969. (By paratrooper boots I mean the type I frequently see if ever I go into an army surplus shop - black, very similar to those worn by the tough looking French police in Paris. I thought they were German, but could be French?) Incidentally, I noticed in the old film clip of the Newcastle lads from 1971 that one of them is wearing paratrooper boots.
A discussion, many pages back, between Elwood and myself was about the types of boots initially worn by the 'original' skinheads (depending on your interpretation of 'original skinhead'). This highlighted the fact that at first skinheads wore all sorts of boots. Such was the later success of Dr. Martens that they have come to be regarded by all and sundry as the quintessential skinhead footwear, but this was a later development of the style. Heavy boots had been terrace wear from at least as early as 1967 and became even more popular as the style we now recognise as 'skinhead' evolved through 1968, so by early 1969 they were very common. Despite the claim by our friend from Dexy's Midnight Runners that they were worn because they were shiny and not for kicking people, I saw plenty of evidence to the contrary and had he spent any time on a football terrace around that period he would have been aware that that is EXACTLY the reason they were worn. Consequently, what people wanted around that time was a heavy boot, preferably with steel toe caps. In 1969 I didn't know anyone who wore shiny cherry red Doc Martens. My local 'style icons', Brian Parkinson (18) wore paratrooper boots, Dave Rabbich (17) wore black commando boots with a steel toe-cap. Lads on the Kippax wore army boots, work boots and hob-nails. Elwood wrote of seeing lads 'skating' across the concrete terracing on their hobnails, making them spark. A few lads cut away some of the leather from the toes to reveal the steel shining underneath. At 14, my two closest skinhead friends were David Porter who wore steel toed oxblood coloured boots, and Terry Cocking who wore black work boots (possibly 'Tuff' boots?) I wore some brown work boots I'd had for about 2 years. When I outgrew these soon after I bought some black Doc. Martens - not because they were Doc. Martens, but because I thought they looked really smart when seeing them in the shop. I wasn't aware of anyone else wearing them at that time. The catalyst for the popularity of Doc. Martens was the banning of steel toe caps at football matches. You didn't want to be stood on cold concrete in your socks all afternoon and a nice pair of shiny DMs was seen as the ideal replacement. This would have been about 12 months into the skinhead era.
Obviously I'm including the usual disclaimer here re: time and location (Manchester area) and no doubt somebody will be on telling me that London was full of skinheads wearing shiny cherry red Doc. Martens in 1965. If people try to claim that anything other than DMs are not authentic skinhead wear, then you can now inwardly look a little smug, 'cos you know better!
Edited by roytonboy - 11/2/13 at 4:39am
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