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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Make of this what you will:

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lost-Tribes-Leicestershire-Skinheads/story-12065834-detail/story.html

One Leicester guy's memories of his time as a skinhead.

 

Thanks for that Ed. - an interesting read, but as is often the case, raises quite a few questions. Browniecj is quite correct, this guy is 56 now, making him only 12 or 13 in 1969. Of course memories blur with the passing of time and it is told through a third party journalist who may have been a bit selective in what he chose to include and in what order, hence some of it rings true, some of it not quite so. I usually take all this violence stuff with a pinch of salt - just as every former mod you ever meet was always the snappiest dresser with the flashiest scooter, so every ex-skinhead you ever hear about was the toughest lad on the roughest estate who supported a team whose fans were the hardest in country, who NEVER ran.(this forum excepted!) Did I get into street fights as a skinhead and 'aggro' at football matches? Yes I did. Was this happening week in week out? Certainly not - but that wouldn't make interesting copy in the local paper would it?

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Sad but true,I remember about 1990 going into Next with the Gf and they had some very nice button downs,good quality,now I very rarely bother going in there...the biggest department store in Bristol was John Lewis,now the same building is a Primark ! we are in a minority in wanting something special quality wise,the majority only want something cheap and cheerful.IMO

I have only been into Next twice. Once, because I heard the store in Oxford St had a glass floor on the first floor in the early 90s (I'm not a perv, honest). Then in the mid-90s I bought a pair of chinos from the shop in Uxbridge for a summer wedding I was attending. The seat seam split when I tried them on back at home. Obviously wasn't impressed with the quality. I couldn't even be arsed to return them.

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Originally Posted by roytonboy View Post
 

 

Around Manchester brogues were popular right through 1968 -1972. Initially almost exclusively brown, then brown and oxblood 1969/1970 with black, especially longwings (or 'Royals' as we used to describe them) becoming much more popular 1971/1972. I am tempted to say brown and oxblood were 'skinhead' wear and black were more 'Suedehead'. It could have been that the older lads were going into 'town' more smartly dressed on a Friday or Saturday night and wearing black brogues with suits and blazers but I wasn't aware of this.  To me being skinhead in 1969/70 was Levi's (or similar), boots, brogues and sta-prest, but I was 15 at the time.

 

Brown and oxblood always looked better with jeans and light sta-prest IMHO but that is just my opinion. Black certainly smarter with Prince of Wales or Tonic trousers.

I remember the black brogues well because there was a shoe shop next to the bus stop when we went to school,I was fascinated by the curl on the brogue pattern so they weren't longwings,i think this was about late 1970,I was 12 then so just starting to take a real interest in different styles.

I agree with you about brown shoes looking better with jeans also with navy coloured trousers IMO,mind you I always remember one lad from school turning up after school one night wearing black brogues,levis and a royal blue Harrington,none of us had all that kit then and I was quite envious,mind you he was an only child and his dad had a good job so he was always ahead of us when it came to clothes / bikes.

I also agree on the black brogues and POW trousers,which I still do now,although sometimes with black brogue boots.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

I have only been into Next twice. Once, because I heard the store in Oxford St had a glass floor on the first floor in the early 90s (I'm not a perv, honest). Then in the mid-90s I bought a pair of chinos from the shop in Uxbridge for a summer wedding I was attending. The seat seam split when I tried them on back at home. Obviously wasn't impressed with the quality. I couldn't even be arsed to return them.

Next seemed to go downhill steadily from the first few times that I went there,I did buy some POW check trousers there this year,only because the colour and the check reminded me of the 70s,the material isn't all that brilliant,but they haven't started to disintegrate ( yet ),I only usually go in there if I am out shopping with the younger blokes that I work with ( they think its great !,mind you they enthuse about Vans !),Burtons is another shop that's mainly crap now ( although I got a wool pea coat there last year,amazingly ).

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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Make of this what you will:

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lost-Tribes-Leicestershire-Skinheads/story-12065834-detail/story.html

One Leicester guy's memories of his time as a skinhead.


I know Mark pretty well, he's still a skinhead and smart with it, puts on some good do's, and is a very good dj

post #15816 of 18946
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

I think that this is the same idea that has been talked about on here before,you said about a nod to the past regarding style ( sorry if I have misquoted you ).

Who wants to go on wearing exactly the same clobber forever ?,but using the the basic style and moving it on and updating it is surely the way ?.


Me for one, theres plenty of variety within the various styles talked about on here.

As for updating it and moving it on, to my mind you cant, the styles are set, and the updating/moving on has been done, hence the title of this thread, there's room in the mod style, the very word modernism suggests this, but i know plenty of mods who would disagree, i've seen countless arguments on mod forums re this subject.

 

Of course an individual can go where he likes with his style, i think it's a question of where you get on and off the bus

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Next seemed to go downhill steadily from the first few times that I went there,I did buy some POW check trousers there this year,only because the colour and the check reminded me of the 70s,the material isn't all that brilliant,but they haven't started to disintegrate ( yet ),I only usually go in there if I am out shopping with the younger blokes that I work with ( they think its great !,mind you they enthuse about Vans !),Burtons is another shop that's mainly crap now ( although I got a wool pea coat there last year,amazingly ).

That's the thing with certain High Street retailers, the inconsistency in product quality. For every good quality pea coat and pair of POW strides, there's a thousand pieces of schmatte to look through. At least with the overpriced gentlemen's clothiers, there is consistency. And, if on the off chance you do buy something 'off' from them, they would be embarrassed, and replace it quick-smart. That is preferable to arguing the toss with a clueless, spotty Saturday-boy and receiving a credit-note for stuff you don't want.

I bought a navy-blue Harrington from the Merc shop in Camden in '96. Blimey, the quality was awful. Loose threads, crappy zip. The quality was on-par with the ones they sold down at street markets back in '79/'80. Now I see Merc is having a laugh with their prices at the expense of men of a certain age, and Hipster-try-hards.

I was after a pair of POW lallies, I've only seen Relco and Warrior making them in the cut I like, but I bought a paisley BD by Relco, and I was not impressed. I ended up buying a pair of 60s deadstock US-made houndstoooth/dogtooth trouies from a place in New Jersey for £9.

I'm still going to take a punt on the Irish-made Next longwings though.

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The check is a bit on the big side (not 'chef big') Bloody well made though.

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Originally Posted by Inks View Post
 

That's the thing with certain High Street retailers, the inconsistency in product quality. For every good quality pea coat and pair of POW strides, there's a thousand pieces of schmatte to look through. At least with the overpriced gentlemen's clothiers, there is consistency. And, if on the off chance you do buy something 'off' from them, they would be embarrassed, and replace it quick-smart. That is preferable to arguing the toss with a clueless, spotty Saturday-boy and receiving a credit-note for stuff you don't want.

I bought a navy-blue Harrington from the Merc shop in Camden in '96. Blimey, the quality was awful. Loose threads, crappy zip. The quality was on-par with the ones they sold down at street markets back in '79/'80. Now I see Merc is having a laugh with their prices at the expense of men of a certain age, and Hipster-try-hards.

I was after a pair of POW lallies, I've only seen Relco and Warrior making them in the cut I like, but I bought a paisley BD buy Relco, and I was not impressed. I ended up buying a pair of 60s deadstock US-made houndstoooth/dogtooth trouies from a place in New Jersey for £9.

I'm still going to take a punt on the Irish-made Next longwings though.

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The check is a bit on the big side (not 'chef big') Bloody well made though.

The trousers look tidy,I agree its difficult to find POW in a nice material and cut..there were some on that Adam of London site that looked ok.

With that pea coat,I spent ages looking online for a grey wool one,then one came up in Burtons,I thought oh that will be sh1te,they have been rubbish for years,anyway I went in and had a look they had one in my size I couldn't believe how good it was ( and about 60 quid) I bought it but I noticed that it soon went off of their website,I think that it was underpriced and they weren't making enough profit on it,and if they charged anymore none of their customers would have bought them....the coat had sleeve "adjusters" that I don't like,and when I took it to the Chinese lady who does my alterations,she was impressed with the quality of the material,as you say every now and then one good find.

Sadly there are very few proper gents outfitters left locally and it seems very few tailors,as for Warrior,Relco,Merc,after what I have read on here I am dubious about their stuff.

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


Me for one, theres plenty of variety within the various styles talked about on here.

As for updating it and moving it on, to my mind you cant, the styles are set, and the updating/moving on has been done, hence the title of this thread, there's room in the mod style, the very word modernism suggests this, but i know plenty of mods who would disagree, i've seen countless arguments on mod forums re this subject.

 

Of course an individual can go where he likes with his style, i think it's a question of where you get on and off the bus

Well I disagree with some of this and agree with  some of it.

First why cant you update it ? and why are the styles set ?...lets face it you cant get everything that you could then,and even what you can get is mostly not the same quality....but there maybe alternatives to the original kit or something that wasn't available here then.

Secondly,as regards the Mod thing there will always be a conflict there between someone with a Modernist outlook and a Mod revivalist ..IMO

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I've just seen a couple of episodes of 'The Strange World of Gurney Slade' on youtube. It was made in 1960, but Anthony Newley is sporting some pretty Mod duds considering how early it was made; Three-button bum-freezer, thin tie, collar-bar/tab-collar shirt, narrow strides and a short Mac.

post #15821 of 18946
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

Well I disagree with some of this and agree with  some of it.

First why cant you update it ? and why are the styles set ?...lets face it you cant get everything that you could then,and even what you can get is mostly not the same quality....but there maybe alternatives to the original kit or something that wasn't available here then.

Secondly,as regards the Mod thing there will always be a conflict there between someone with a Modernist outlook and a Mod revivalist ..IMO


Like i said, it depends on where you get on and off, and what you consider yourself to be.

Skinheads moved the style on and became suedes etc, these styles are set, if i turned up at a do wearing winkle pickers, and proclaimed they were skinhead shoes, and that i was moving things on, i've no doubt i would get told to ef off and probably recieve a poke in the eye.

 

I think theres alternatives regarding the name stuff, ie Royals are no longer available but theres plenty of nice longwings out there.

Tbh i think theres still a lot of good kit out there, you just have to look long and hard to get it, and in some cases be prepaired to pay for it.

 

As for the mod thing like i said seen countless arguments, i'll leave the ' but is it mod' to those who it concerns, and have more knowledge than me

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Originally Posted by Basset View Post
 


Like i said, it depends on where you get on and off, and what you consider yourself to be.

Skinheads moved the style on and became suedes etc, these styles are set, if i turned up at a do wearing winkle pickers, and proclaimed they were skinhead shoes, and that i was moving things on, i've no doubt i would get told to ef off and probably recieve a poke in the eye.

 

I think theres alternatives regarding the name stuff, ie Royals are no longer available but theres plenty of nice longwings out there.

Tbh i think theres still a lot of good kit out there, you just have to look long and hard to get it, and in some cases be prepaired to pay for it.

 

As for the mod thing like i said seen countless arguments, i'll leave the ' but is it mod' to those who it concerns, and have more knowledge than me

So you do agree with alternatives ? ( to the Royals at least ) so that's a start,some purists would say no it has to be Royals or nothing.

Now even I wouldn't think about winkle pickers,but I do like my black brogue boots,not worn back in the day,but so what ? ,theres no way I am going to nail my self into a 4 year style box.

For instance,whats been talked about here today ? Paraboots a nice alternative to ( much as I love them ) pretty poor quality monkey boots or the DM boot now the choice of teenage girls,so Paraboots weren't worn here in the 70s,so what ?.

Now I have mentioned derby half brogues recently,again not available here "back in the day",so if you look at them and think they look  good with jeans,are you going to then think oh what a shame I cant wear them because they weren't worn in 68/71 ?.

Now if that's the case fair play ,but to me it becomes like a re-enactment thing,and to be quite honest I am not into all that "style rules" stuff,I would rather make my own choices ( and mistakes ).

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Originally Posted by Ed Vaughan View Post

Make of this what you will:

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lost-Tribes-Leicestershire-Skinheads/story-12065834-detail/story.html

One Leicester guy's memories of his time as a skinhead.

Personally, I don't doubt anything about what Mark says in this article, he is a well known and respected figure on the traditional styled Skinhead scene, as it is today and like Basset says, he puts on some good do's, notably Liquidator in Leicester, he is a good Reggae Dj and his missus plays out some good Northern and R&B.....he and another well known Dj and sound system owner have managed to organise a Reggae Room at the Keele Allnighter (Newcastle under Lyme / Stoke on Trent), a well known Northern night over the last couple of decades and should be cracking night in April 2014, if Marks events in the past are anything to go by

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post
 

So you do agree with alternatives ? ( to the Royals at least ) so that's a start,some purists would say no it has to be Royals or nothing.

Now even I wouldn't think about winkle pickers,but I do like my black brogue boots,not worn back in the day,but so what ? ,theres no way I am going to nail my self into a 4 year style box.

For instance,whats been talked about here today ? Paraboots a nice alternative to ( much as I love them ) pretty poor quality monkey boots or the DM boot now the choice of teenage girls,so Paraboots weren't worn here in the 70s,so what ?.

Now I have mentioned derby half brogues recently,again not available here "back in the day",so if you look at them and think they look  good with jeans,are you going to then think oh what a shame I cant wear them because they weren't worn in 68/71 ?.

Now if that's the case fair play ,but to me it becomes like a re-enactment thing,and to be quite honest I am not into all that "style rules" stuff,I would rather make my own choices ( and mistakes ).


You asked the questions, i gave you my answers and opinions.

I dont think i've ever told anyone on here what they should or shouldn't wear and im not about to.

 

You mention a couple of items not worn back in the day, not skinhead or suede then are they? thats what this thread has discussed in depth, whats smart and stylish outside of those styles is another.

 

I do agree with alternatives, thats a start? i used the Royals as example, there's countless others, i'd like a wardrobe full of original Ben shermans, aint gonna happen with my neck size, so i try to buy shirts as close to that style as possible.

 

Not worn in 68/71, cant wear them? there's a lot of folk who do think like that ( including myself ), from lads in there twentys, to blokes in there 50/60's, i dont think anyones re-enacting anything.

 

Everybody has/had style rules, thats why this thread exists, you yourself make an effort to dress smartly when you go out, so you have your rules, nothing wrong with that

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