This pair might be an unusual and interesting take on that theme. Not sure if MiE at that price?
A nice looking shoe,but not what I am looking for,I want something like your Church half brogue but in a derby style...
I think that those Victors are called Austerity brogues,I looked on the Loake site and they say made in India.
I think that with Loake they do offer a good variety,for the price the 1880 range are good value for money,I have a pair of the Kempton boots and they are very comfortable and smart too IMO.
I also have the Bedale brogue boot in black and they feel good to wear,the toe is a bit square,but overall they are pretty good especially in the cold weather.