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I blame Wayne Hemingway for all this. When he started selling DMs at inflated prices at Red Or Dead, along came the leary colours, the quality issues and the appropriation of DMs as a fashion bootie.

The last DMs I had were a dealer-boot. They fell to bits within months, and I look after my footwear. They cracked and split on the toe, and in-step. Leather was like cardboard.

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The worst thing about the exhibition is that the Diversity Officer (who we've decided here is a liberal, white, female, uni student with acne - damn is she also lesbian or transgender and disabled? 

I for one didn't speculate about the DO's politics, orientation, etc., just said the fancy title didn't stop them thinking in stereotypes.

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You'll be pleased to hear i wont comment again about it:)

Pity. Your posts have been informative.
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Some Barker 'Anderson' Brogues for sale on ebay. Would these be classed more Suedehead than Skinhead ? A bit too high for my taste, but they don't half look tough.

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Some Barker 'Anderson' Brogues for sale on ebay. Would these be classed more Suedehead than Skinhead ? A bit too high for my taste, but they don't half look tough.

They are a similar style to the Church Grafton and the Loake Braemar,I think that they call them Galosh brogues...

I have a pair of Barker half brogue oxfords,they are a few years old and they are ok,but since I bought them Barker have started making some of their shoes in India....I bought a pair of Barker toe cap derby shoes recently they are seconds but they were less than half price with a dainite sole so they will do for wet weather,they seem ok.

I wouldn't pay too much for any shoes Barker,Loake etc if they were made in India,they definitely are not as well made as the ones made in England IMO they just trade off the past reputation and the name,check out the Loake 1880 range and then have a look at the cheaper stuff made in India and you will see what I mean.

I have seen those Barkers ( in Jones the bootmakers I think ) and they are a heavy brogue,they have that shiny sort of coated leather like the Loake Royal ,they do look like a thick sole but blokes used to get an extra sole ( or 2 ) whacked on them back in the day.

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They are a similar style to the Church Grafton and the Loake Braemar,I think that they call them Galosh brogues...

I have a pair of Barker half brogue oxfords,they are a few years old and they are ok,but since I bought them Barker have started making some of their shoes in India....I bought a pair of Barker toe cap derby shoes recently they are seconds but they were less than half price with a dainite sole so they will do for wet weather,they seem ok.

I wouldn't pay too much for any shoes Barker,Loake etc if they were made in India,they definitely are not as well made as the ones made in England IMO they just trade off the past reputation and the name,check out the Loake 1880 range and then have a look at the cheaper stuff made in India and you will see what I mean.

I have seen those Barkers ( in Jones the bootmakers I think ) and they are a heavy brogue,they have that shiny sort of coated leather like the Loake Royal ,they do look like a thick sole but blokes used to get an extra sole ( or 2 ) whacked on them back in the day.

The best brogues(and loafers) I've owned were Frank Wrights, and that was back when I was a kid in '79/80. They were very chunky Loake/Ikon looking. I don't know if they were made under licence to Loake or what, but I've searched high and low for the exact style by FW, but it seems they were a peculiarity to my bit of W.London within that certain time-frame. The soles were beautiful. The leather looked like the burred walnut that you'd get on the dash of a Mk2 Jag. The nearest well-made facsimile (loafers wise) I've found were my trusty Sebagos. Even then, I had to 'chunk-out' the sole, just to get them halfway normal.(about half the thickness of the above Barkers)

I'd love to have some Shell Cordovan brogues, but even if my numbers came up on the Euro-Millions Lottery, I'd think I'd still shy away from the price, and the faffing involved in their upkeep.

I can imagine a friend saying "You must be a horse's ass paying that much for some kicks. What are they made from ?"

The reply would be slightly embarrassing.


Edited by Inks - 10/26/13 at 9:43pm
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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

They are a similar style to the Church Grafton and the Loake Braemar,I think that they call them Galosh brogues...
I have a pair of Barker half brogue oxfords,they are a few years old and they are ok,but since I bought them Barker have started making some of their shoes in India....I bought a pair of Barker toe cap derby shoes recently they are seconds but they were less than half price with a dainite sole so they will do for wet weather,they seem ok.
I wouldn't pay too much for any shoes Barker,Loake etc if they were made in India,they definitely are not as well made as the ones made in England IMO they just trade off the past reputation and the name,check out the Loake 1880 range and then have a look at the cheaper stuff made in India and you will see what I mean.
I have seen those Barkers ( in Jones the bootmakers I think ) and they are a heavy brogue,they have that shiny sort of coated leather like the Loake Royal ,they do look like a thick sole but blokes used to get an extra sole ( or 2 ) whacked on them back in the day.

I had a pair of Church Graftons Cerneabbas, Lovely shoe but not Skinhead style. ...I have seen some present day skinheads wearing the above style, but to be honest if someone turned up in a pair like the above in the 60s total piss would have been taken out of them...
It was a cruel world back then where the finer details was a matter of credibility or loss of ,biggrin.gif
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Coincidentally there was a story I listened to on the Radio this morning,regarding Allen Edmonds shoes.Lot's of interesting points that many have been thought about brands we have lost over the years or have been allowed to decline at the cost of profit over qualityMaybe this could be the way for DM?

 

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-24/u-dot-s-dot-shoemaker-allen-edmonds-regains-its-footing

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It's sorta cold outside. Can't really use a harrington or a jeans jacket. I was thinking that some of the sheepskin coats earlier in this thread was quite nice. Never bought one of those, how much should one expect to pay for a passable one? Is sheepskin coats even made in that style anymore? Is ebay the way to go for this?

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It's sorta cold outside. Can't really use a harrington or a jeans jacket. I was thinking that some of the sheepskin coats earlier in this thread was quite nice. Never bought one of those, how much should one expect to pay for a passable one? Is sheepskin coats even made in that style anymore? Is ebay the way to go for this?

I'd suggest one of the ebay sites outside the UK if you're after a sheepskin in the Skinhead style. If you're bidding on anything remotely Mod/Skin/Suedehead and even Casual here on ebay.co.uk you're gonna be up against some pretty determined, wealthy and ruthless middle-aged fellas with cash-on-the-hip. I suggest looking on the US ebay, as very early NY Hip Hop fashion from the late 70s/ early 80s had a thing for Skin-style sheepskin coats, back before that whole scene got too blingy.

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The best brogues(and loafers) I've owned were Frank Wrights, and that was back when I was a kid in '79/80. They were very chunky Loake/Ikon looking. I don't know if they were made under licence to Loake or what, but I've searched high and low for the exact style by FW, but it seems they were a peculiarity to my bit of W.London within that certain time-frame. The soles were beautiful. The leather looked like the burred walnut that you'd get on the dash of a Mk2 Jag. The nearest well-made facsimile (loafers wise) I've found were my trusty Sebagos. Even then, I had to 'chunk-out' the sole, just to get them halfway normal.(about half the thickness of the above Barkers)

I'd love to have some Shell Cordovan brogues, but even if my numbers came up on the Euro-Millions Lottery, I'd think I'd still shy away from the price, and the faffing involved in their upkeep.

I can imagine a friend saying "You must be a horse's ass paying that much for some kicks. What are they made from ?"

The reply would be slightly embarrassing.

 

.I remember the Frank Wright brogues,as you say about 1980,I went to buy a pair of black ones and I thought that the brown was such a nice colour that I went back and bought them,I have looked up Frank Wright and they just seem to make novelty shoes now,shame.

I was looking at the Allen Edmonds site this week and they have got the Macneil longwing in calf leather Burgundy for $295,I thought that the Burgundy was just in Cordovan,the leather ones are advertised as webgem ( only for sale online I suppose ) I think that they look good,mind you I like the Walnut ones too.

Have you looked at the clearance stuff on Herrings site ?, depending on your size theres some good prices.

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I had a pair of Church Graftons Cerneabbas, Lovely shoe but not Skinhead style. ...I have seen some present day skinheads wearing the above style, but to be honest if someone turned up in a pair like the above in the 60s total piss would have been taken out of them...
It was a cruel world back then where the finer details was a matter of credibility or loss of ,biggrin.gif

I remember what you are saying was true even amongst us and we were kids,I had a pair of brogues that had no pattern on the toe and the girls at school used to say let us take them into needlework and we will put some holes in them for you..

I think that its better now because there are no "rules" and you can take what you want and wear it  ( trouble is finding the stuff now though )...one thing that I am keeping my eyes open for is a pair of Derby half brogues in brown or tan,seen some on the Allen Edmonds site,not an unusual design in America it seems but I cant ever remember seeing a British shoe like that.

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Originally Posted by Gsvs5 View Post
 

Coincidentally there was a story I listened to on the Radio this morning,regarding Allen Edmonds shoes.Lot's of interesting points that many have been thought about brands we have lost over the years or have been allowed to decline at the cost of profit over qualityMaybe this could be the way for DM?

 

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-24/u-dot-s-dot-shoemaker-allen-edmonds-regains-its-footing

Interesting article,since I have been on this site I have looked at American shoe companies ( for brogues ) and quite a few have gone or moved production abroad,must have lost a good few jobs.

When I went to Bicester outlet centre we were amazed at the amount of Chinese people there,apparently they love western brands and it is one of the places that they want to visit when they come to England,there seem to be a good few companies chasing the new found Chinese wealth,what happens when their economy goes tits up remains to be seen.

I cant understand why Allen Edmonds haven't got more of a presence in Europe,I go on a few forums and theres always people asking about where to buy them.

BTW,I was thinking more about shirts last week,there were a lot of button downs in pastel colours,I remember light blue,yellow,a pale blue/green and pink..I think Ben Sherman did a pink one and maybe Arnold Palmer ( I had a yellow Arnold Palmer given to me ),I never seem to see those pastel colours now only light blue,do you remember those colours being popular ?

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Originally Posted by cerneabbas View Post

Interesting article,since I have been on this site I have looked at American shoe companies ( for brogues ) and quite a few have gone or moved production abroad,must have lost a good few jobs.
When I went to Bicester outlet centre we were amazed at the amount of Chinese people there,apparently they love western brands and it is one of the places that they want to visit when they come to England,there seem to be a good few companies chasing the new found Chinese wealth,what happens when their economy goes tits up remains to be seen.
I cant understand why Allen Edmonds haven't got more of a presence in Europe,I go on a few forums and theres always people asking about where to buy them.
BTW,I was thinking more about shirts last week,there were a lot of button downs in pastel colours,I remember light blue,yellow,a pale blue/green and pink..I think Ben Sherman did a pink one and maybe Arnold Palmer ( I had a yellow Arnold Palmer given to me ),I never seem to see those pastel colours now only light blue,do you remember those colours being popular ?


Pink Shirts are a funny thing.A lot of People would probably deny that they had one.In the mid 60s I had one with a long "Spear" Collar,and about `70/`71 I had one (BD)which I wore with my Blazer.smile.gif
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Some Barker 'Anderson' Brogues for sale on ebay. Would these be classed more Suedehead than Skinhead ? A bit too high for my taste, but they don't half look tough.


Brogues were worn by Mods(I had a pair of Ox-Blood ones)then,as Mods evolved into Skinheads,there were others-before the Royals.I wore a heavy Brogue(around `68)with Jeans .After the Solatio Gibsons came out,there was a Brogue that came out that had a wider,rounder Toe.This was going into the Suedehead..A lot of present day Skinheads wear these(mainly in the Midlands and North).
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Pink Shirts are a funny thing.A lot of People would probably deny that they had one.In the mid 60s I had one with a long "Spear" Collar,and about `70/`71 I had one (BD)which I wore with my Blazer.smile.gif

Yes,as I remember it pink shirts were quite popular in the late 60s,I don't just mean button downs but ordinary shirts.

Spear collars,I think that we called them flyaways,did they get a bit popular again for a short time between button downs and round collars ? or was it after round collars 73/74 ?.

I got to say I am not sure if I would wear a pink shirt now after thinking about it,probably not yellow either.

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