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There is something Orwellian about 'University Diversity Officer' isn't there ? A history revisionist if ever I saw one.

I was thinking that myself!

Funny how a fancy title doesn't stop a person thinking in stereotypes.

If I were in town I'd go to that event.
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Greetings. Been stalking this forum/thread for YEARS and finally decided to hop on board. An incredible wealth of info on here. I've always been intrigued by (or should I say obsessed with) late mod, skinhead and suedehead fashion/culture. Big fan of early ska, rocksteady and reggae up to 1970 as well as 60s 'mod' bands. I was involved with the traditional skinhead scene (or as close as it could get to traditional 20 years on....) in NYC in the late 80s (I'm 45 now). I know the Reggae Wembley 1970 film has been posted here before but I don't if this hi-def clip of Desmond Dekker and skinhead girls was posted (apologies if it has been).

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHJohq86AA0

Hello Sky Burial and welcome.  I can't remember if we have had that video but I definitely recall seeing a photo of the girl in the check skirt on this forum - she is very striking.

 

Its funny how a few seconds of a film can take you right back to the day as if you are there amongst them. - Happy times

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Originally Posted by sky burial View Post

Greetings. Been stalking this forum/thread for YEARS and finally decided to hop on board. An incredible wealth of info on here. I've always been intrigued by (or should I say obsessed with) late mod, skinhead and suedehead fashion/culture. Big fan of early ska, rocksteady and reggae up to 1970 as well as 60s 'mod' bands. I was involved with the traditional skinhead scene (or as close as it could get to traditional 20 years on....) in NYC in the late 80s (I'm 45 now). I know the Reggae Wembley 1970 film has been posted here before but I don't if this hi-def clip of Desmond Dekker and skinhead girls was posted (apologies if it has been).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHJohq86AA0

Welcome sky burial.Always good to see that show in Wembley.There were many pretty Girls there,that day-I know I was in the Audience smile.gif.Desmond Dekker was not the best Act on though.
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I don't know much about Mr Mott, but he definitely has a better understanding about Skinheads than the 'university diversity officer' does. I also think my wife has. My wife doesn't speak for all black people, like the 'diversity officer' does (even though she is black). Though, unlike the 'diversity officer', she knows the difference between a racist, muggy-bonehead-cliché and real life.

I have always said,there were never any problems between us(going into Jamaican Clubs)and Black Youths.Black People are capable of sorting any problems out-it does not need a white, spotty,ex Uni twat fighting their battles..How presumptuous of him.
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The exhibition is supposed to be about the 'design' aesthetic of the 'skinhead movement'  - so its not going to be able to clarify history or debate/defend its corner on what a 'skinhead' is particularly (which is going to be a problem). The biggest flaw for me is the concept - there was no aesthetic across era's that is 'skinhead'. Its just an exhibition of some stuff someone owns and likes. 
 
The 60s record labels and sleeves were designed by advertising companies (CCS mainly in Trojans case) aiming at a mass market, the New English Library paper back designs were probably done on an in-house template, later pritt stick and glue fanzines aren't by 'definition' skinhead either and Oi! is totally unrelated to the original 'aesthetic' anyhow. How either of the later two distinguish themselves from punk is debatable. They are all interesting but say little/nothing of 'skinheads' really. It suffers from the age old problem that skinhead means a hundred different things depending on the time and context.
 
Regarding the fuss, not everyone loves 'skinheads'. Muggy boneheads weren't a cliche in the 80s but were sadly the majority of skins in most towns (in some parts of the world they still are)  and certainly defined the attitude of many members of ethnic minorities towards skins. Try telling people that the boot end they felt was a cliche - generally they ain't too understanding. This is a depressing fact for those who took a more traditional route but is probably a fact still. Its not to say you shouldn't try and educate people about a different reality - this exhibition isn't going to manage that though.  
 
The exhibition takes in the 70s/80s so there's nothing clever about curator Toby Motts snide comment about 'chicken korma' in an exhibition promoted with a poster of 1980s boneheads - in the context of racist violence at that time its pretty crass - at best it was a stupid comment, at worst its pretty unpleasant and deliberately controversial. Does the exhibition also feature the Strength through Oi! sleeve featuring notorious Nazi Nicky Crane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Crane) ? Not doing themselves any favours if so.... 
 
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plenty of black skinheads in 69 -70 - she never knew that ?

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plenty of black skinheads in 69 -70 - she never knew that ?

 

sigh - would really prefer to leave this particular discussion but given people are (unfairly imho) putting the boot into the LCC staff here rather than the exhibition organisers....

 

The complaints probably do come from people who didnt realise there were plenty of black skins in the original days - millions of people live their lives happily without being aware of this fact. The worst thing about the exhibition is that the Diversity Officer (who we've decided here is a liberal, white, female, uni student with acne - damn is she also lesbian or transgender and disabled? :brick:) wont actually learn different from this exhibition.  

 

The curator - Toby Mott likes shock images of punk, S&M and Bondage

 - he knows or cares f*ck all about original skins but is more interested into getting Gary Bullshit on board. 

 

From the organiser (not Mott): By the way, the show is about graphic design, primarily - in this case graphics associated with the skinhead scene, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90, or beyond. It isn't, and was never intended to be from my perspective, a detailed history of a complicated and wide ranging subculture. So, if we can talk about the pictures?

 

Basically - dont explain, dont provide context - just look at the nice graphics - which include uncontextualised images of variously: Skrewdriver covers, notorious Nazi's and some reggae records.

 

The instagram picture used to plug the show? Nicky Crane.....ffs.

 

You want to moan that people misrepresent original/traditional skinheads? Look no further than this exhibition not the people who have a problem with it.

 

You'll be pleased to hear i wont comment again about it:)

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Oh dear. 

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Welcome sky burial.Always good to see that show in Wembley.There were many pretty Girls there,that day-I know I was in the Audience smile.gif.Desmond Dekker was not the best Act on though.

 

The Pyramids (Symarip) set looked amazing.

 

 

 

Anyone have any first hand experience with or opinions on the line of shirts Lambretta has been marketing? They obviously target a specific audience. Were there any shirts back in the day which featured two buttons at the top like the Lambretta ones below?

 

 

 

700

700

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Originally Posted by sky burial View Post
 

 

The Pyramids (Symarip) set looked amazing.

 

 

 

Anyone have any first hand experience with or opinions on the line of shirts Lambretta has been marketing? They obviously target a specific audience. Were there any shirts back in the day which featured two buttons at the top like the Lambretta ones below?

 

 

 

700

700

 

 

I seem to recall either a picture of the Small Faces or maybe the Creation where one of the members wore the double-buttoned shirts(but the double buttons went all the way down the placket, not just the top).

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Originally Posted by sky burial View Post

 

Anyone have any first hand experience with or opinions on the line of shirts Lambretta has been marketing? 

 

Opinion?

 

Ugly,overworked,a chavs dream.The Italians have been doing high collars/double buttons on the neck for years now.

 

Trying to do WAAAAYYY too much. Double buttons at the neck and placket.Vertical and horizontal button holes.BIG label on the pocket.Burberry check knock off.Overly dark contrast stitching

Nothing subtle or stylish i'm afraid.Everything I would expect though,unfortunately.

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sigh - would really prefer to leave this particular discussion but given people are (unfairly imho) putting the boot into the LCC staff here rather than the exhibition organisers....

The complaints probably do come from people who didnt realise there were plenty of black skins in the original days - millions of people live their lives happily without being aware of this fact. The worst thing about the exhibition is that the Diversity Officer (who we've decided here is a liberal, white, female, uni student with acne - damn is she also lesbian or transgender and disabled? baldy%5B1%5D.gif) wont actually learn different from this exhibition.  

The curator - Toby Mott likes shock images of punk, S&M and Bondage
 - he knows or cares f*ck all about original skins but is more interested into getting Gary Bullshit on board. 

From the organiser (not Mott): By the way, the show is about graphic design, primarily - in this case graphics associated with the skinhead scene, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90, or beyond. It isn't, and was never intended to be from my perspective, a detailed history of a complicated and wide ranging subculture. So, if we can talk about the pictures?

Basically - dont explain, dont provide context - just look at the nice graphics - which include uncontextualised images of variously: Skrewdriver covers, notorious Nazi's and some reggae records.

The instagram picture used to plug the show? Nicky Crane.....ffs.

You want to moan that people misrepresent original/traditional skinheads? Look no further than this exhibition not the people who have a problem with it.

You'll be pleased to hear i wont comment again about it:)

I had made up my mind that I would not be visiting the Exhibition-regardless of who is doing the stereotyping.
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That's too bad what's happened to DM in the past 10-15 years.   At least Solovair still makes a boot.

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